Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?

by **astradt1** Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:59 pm

First topic message reminder :

We seem to have had a thread about Milliband and time running out for his leadership but now there seem to be more and more knives coming out for Vatman and Dobbing, I'll let you decide who is who?

It now seems more and more of their own side (Tory MP's) are openly speaking out against them........

Latest...

Nadine Dorries: David Cameron And George Osborne Are 'Arrogant Posh Boys'

David Cameron and George Osborne are "arrogant posh boys" who do not understand the lives of ordinary people, according to Tory MP Nadine Dorries.

Speaking on the BBC's Daily Politics programme on Monday, the MP for Mid-Bedfordshire was asked if she thought the prime minister and chancellor were out of touch with voters.

"Unfortunately I think that not are only Cameron and Osborne two posh boys who don't understand the price of milk," she said. "They are too arrogant posh boys who show no remorse, no contrition and no passion to want to understand the lives of others - and that is their real crime."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/23/nadine-dorries-david-cameron-posh-boys_n_1445068.html?ref=uk-politics&ref=uk

by Ivanhoe Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:33 pm

bobby wrote:I feel I must poke my nose in here Mel, if you read Ivanhoe's post @ 12.41 it clearly shows Ivanhoe refering to Landy as titti, clearly a personal insult. If there were 1 error in his spelling, you could call it an typo, but 2 errors in a 5 letter sequence, can only convince me it was a snidy put down.

Grabbing at straws in defense now are we. My mistake was genuine. I do not come on sites like to the throw insults.
There is no point made throwing insults.

by Shirina Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:42 pm

I've been in a fair amount of pain for the past week and a half. I haven't been able to get more than 3 hours worth of sleep at any one time.

Pain + lack of sleep = cranky Shirina.

Cranky Shirina + misbehaving posters = bad things happening.

If you wouldn't say it to someone's face, don't say it here. It's a pretty simple formula ... just like the one above.

Keep it civil.

by Ivanhoe Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:49 pm

Ivanhoe wrote:
bobby wrote:I feel I must poke my nose in here Mel, if you read Ivanhoe's post @ 12.41 it clearly shows Ivanhoe refering to Landy as titti, clearly a personal insult. If there were 1 error in his spelling, you could call it an typo, but 2 errors in a 5 letter sequence, can only convince me it was a snidy put down.

Grabbing at straws in defense now are we. My mistake was genuine. I do not come on sites like to the throw insults.
There is no point made throwing insults.

If you must know bobby, and in my own defence, I have recently had my eyes tested and as such I have been told that due to the ageing process I could be losing the sight in my right eye. I am attending hospital next week to see a specialst.

I do wear glasses, but my eye sight has gotten worse since, hence the eye test recently, and clearly hence my vieweing and spelling problems on this site.

by astra Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:28 pm

Hello Bobby, it's always - I dont know, comforting to see you still around. Hope the Meniere's is behaving itself.
This LOW pressure over us now has me on the chair with a pillow over my head!

Sorry to hear of your troubles Ivanhoe, some pretty wonderful things are being done by the medico's these days

Hello Mel, none of us is so precious that a little word is going to be tooo bad in repercussions.

As Bobby says - Water off a man's back

by trevorw2539 Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:33 pm

Shirina wrote:I've been in a fair amount of pain for the past week and a half. I haven't been able to get more than 3 hours worth of sleep at any one time.

Pain + lack of sleep = cranky Shirina.

Cranky Shirina + misbehaving posters = bad things happening.

If you wouldn't say it to someone's face, don't say it here. It's a pretty simple formula ... just like the one above.

Keep it civil.

I know you have a problem. If it's any consolation, I hope things improve quickly for you through this period.

by Shirina Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:37 pm

If it's any consolation, I hope things improve quickly for you through this period.

Thanks, Trevor. Smile

I go through these periods from time to time. It'll pass ... eventually.

by astra Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:42 pm

I did not mention you in my post, that does not mean I am not thinking of you. You HAVE been quiet of late (you did not go unnoticed ALTOGETHER.!!)

Where's Whitby forklift?

by bobby Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:39 pm

Shirina
I am very sorry to hear of your problems, and sincerely hope they will be resolved as soon as poss. Bob.

by bobby Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:01 pm

Astra. Hello V mate. The return is nothing like it was from 1999 - 2010 when it was full blown. The only thing that helped me was the fact I am my own boss so couldn't sack myself for too much missing time.
Those that are fortunate never having experience the debilitating effects of Menieres, so can not understand just how bad it can be for we sufferers, how someone in employment manages I just don’t know.

The attacks I am now getting are nowhere near as bad as the used to be, but just as much a nuisance especially if you make an arrangement then have an attack, and there is absolutely nuffin you can do. I really hope you are clear of it or at least close to its end, and you have a doctor that Recognises Menieres as many do not and just prescribe stematil and send you on your way. All the best to you V, Bob.

by bobby Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:33 pm

Hello Mel my friend. How are you. I know there has been shedloads of animosity between yourself and Landy, but in the name of fairness, each incident should be treated individually. In the case mentioned a short while ago, Landy reacted in a way that most would have thinking themselves to have been called a Titti by also calling Ivanhoe by another anatomical name. no difference between the two, but Landy’s remark was in response, and had he of not have been called a Titti be it accidentally as Ivanhoe now says or intentional, I doubt he would have responded in the way he did.

Mel, I really think we need to lighten up on this moderation, it was fine up until a short while ago, where we could sort out our own problems, and could indulge in some humour albeit a tad base at times.

Please don’t think for one minute I am having a pop at you Mel, as nothing could be further from the truth, I have known you too long and have a lot of respect for you. We are now getting other posters jumping on the PC wagon, and make remarks. Most of us complain that PC has gone too far, yet here we are reinforcing it on an almost daily basis, what’s the matter with us, can we not enjoy freedom of speech, or must we pander to those who are so delicate, they shouldn’t interact publicly or those who simply chose the PC route for no other reason than they have eff all else to fight with.

I personally will not change my way of posting or speaking to suit some PC brigade and I think a few others may agree with me, and if they don’t “ well, Quite damnly my frank, I don’t give a shit, ( from some old film, “ Gone with the Fart ,Arabic for wind) and if that means going against yourself and Ivan, two people I have a great deal of respect for then so be it. I have to stand by what I believe.

by oftenwrong Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:50 pm

As the Coroner said about the victim of a traffic accident ....

"He was right, of course, dead right.
and just as Dead as if he'd been wrong."

by Mel Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:03 am

Hello bobby old friend,
Many thanks for you kind words and diplomatic input.
I take your point seriously and respectfully and can see clearly
yourself and indeed some others here feel the same way as you do
on the subject of moderation.

My final word is that I shall in future take more time to consider my actions
on moderation in most cases where and if they arise. However rules are rules and when they are being bent or
broken then it is a Moderators thankless task to deal with the offence.

In the past I have turned a blind eye to the occasional rude/ borderline abusive comments, as have other Moderators. Having said that the few members who continue to provoke others, post after post, are rude and offensive, offer snide remarks, having been warned several times before, will not be offorded my blind eye . I also have to stand by what I believe
and that is one reason that makes us such good friends bobby.

Enough said.

by Blamhappy Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:54 am

tlttf wrote:titti,

Are you a Tory ?

Are you a knobhead?

Two mods have already noted this. I'm just adding that I have as well.

by Ivanhoe Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:42 am

Blamhappy wrote:
tlttf wrote:titti,

Are you a Tory ?

Are you a knobhead?

Two mods have already noted this. I'm just adding that I have as well.

Blamhappy, Look how easy it is for me or anybody to make the mistake

""tlttf"]titti,"" In my defence, I have admited that I, shall we say again, have a bad eye due to age.

Coming to the point, the person I responded to stated that he/she thought Cameron was a socialist, my reply was "are you a Tory, the response was "are you a bla bla".

Basically I never "deliberately insulted anybody, I am not on sites likie this to hurl insults, and so I openly apologise to one and all who think that I have hurled an insult.

by Blamhappy Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:57 am

Ivanhoe wrote:...
Basically I never "deliberately insulted anybody, I am not on sites likie this to hurl insults,...

I know

by bobby Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:23 am

Ivanhoe wrote: Coming to the point, the person I responded to stated that he/she thought Cameron was a socialist, my reply was "are you a Tory, the response was "are you a bla bla".

Ivanhoe, you are i'm afraid way off the point. tlttf gave the answer he did in responce to your refering to him as titti, and in my honest oppinion he was quite right in doing so. How was he to know you have an eye problem, like all of us here, all he can do is to read what is written and reply to it as he see's fit.
Anyway i'm sure Landy will give his own answer when he gets home from the Church.

by oftenwrong Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:10 pm

Why do some people have such a problem in staying within the discussion?

The reality is that you have already lost the argument when you resort to ad hominem attacks on an individual. This is particularly comic when the target being attacked is a pseudonym.

God how I hate Anon, and all who sail in her!

by Blamhappy Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:02 pm

It's never all right to call someone a name (unless in mutually friendly jest). If you have an issue, you make your point reasonably. If you feel that there's an injustice, you contact a mod. Otherwise we end up with a school playground, with "Well, he said it first"-type arguments. It's ridiculous.

Isn't this just basic maturity?

Anyway, yes, regarding the post above this one, I think we can move on now. No point labouring the point Smile

by **astradt1** Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:10 pm

Now lets get back on topic..........

Cameron has done yet another U turn on a referendum on the EU...On Friday he was ruling one out and yesterday he was saying Yes he would have one...

Many on the Sunday Political shows has said that he is trying to placate his Euro-skeptic back bencher's...

Does he see a challenge on the horizon?

Is he trying to hedge his bets?

Is he in a panic?

by Ivanhoe Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:53 pm

astradt1 wrote: Now lets get back on topic..........

Cameron has done yet another U turn on a referendum on the EU...On Friday he was ruling one out and yesterday he was saying Yes he would have one...

Many on the Sunday Political shows has said that he is trying to placate his Euro-skeptic back bencher's...

Does he see a challenge on the horizon?

Is he trying to hedge his bets?

Is he in a panic?

He is just giving the media something to speculate on, whilst also appeasing the anti European's in his party.

Its all a media and politics circus that's as far removed from the lives of the rest of us as it can be.

by astra Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:06 pm

It irritates me very much, to think that when I trundle along to the polling booth every 4 years (whoops now 5!) I am voting for a politician. I am NOT voting for a media mogul!

Politicians, through their own desires and peccadillos (?) have got themselves into a position (?) where they NEED the media much MUCH more than they need my vote.

Where is the Democracy in all this?

by trevorw2539 Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:22 pm

Ivanoe quote

Cameron has done yet another U turn on a referendum on the EU...On Friday he was ruling one out and yesterday he was saying Yes he would have one...

..... when the time is right. Cameron.

Erm. 2016?

There may be a 'very powerful' case for a referendum if member states agree a closer union. The PM will set out his position on a referendum in the Autumn. William Hague.

Let's be on the safe side then. 2017?

As always in politics -you pays your money and takes your choice.

I'm thinking of changing my avatar to a picture of doubting Thomas. Cynical me. Embarassed

by Ivanhoe Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:34 pm

astradt1 wrote: Now lets get back on topic..........

Cameron has done yet another U turn on a referendum on the EU...On Friday he was ruling one out and yesterday he was saying Yes he would have one...

Many on the Sunday Political shows has said that he is trying to placate his Euro-skeptic back bencher's...

Does he see a challenge on the horizon?

Is he trying to hedge his bets?

Is he in a panic?

"One" has to look at this from another point of view, ie what do the EU leaders think about us ?

We dont have the Euro, we are only connected to the EU by way of our £50 million a day funding. We are neither in or out of Europe.

The dont need our money, Germany pays in much more.

I dont believe we will ever go fully into the EU ie ditching the pound, so does this leave us forever on the outside looking in ?

by tlttf Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:14 pm

Thanks for the defence bobby. I'm late back from church due to losing my church key and struggling to get out Smile

As for Ivanhoe, I'm studying my keyboard and can't see how any mistake was down to eyesight, however a bit of mudslinging on a discussion board has never hurt me nor caused any emotional distress (I even find most of it amusing). Having said that as he has apologised to me I find it equally as easy to apologise back and go back to posting.

by oftenwrong Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:29 pm

We're going to have an EU referendum but not yet. We're all going to die, but hopefully not yet. What is the importance of vague promises from Cameron? He seems to have mislaid his original Script, so borrowed one from UKIP. We have some superb Actors on television who could perform equally well.

by Ivanhoe Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:32 pm

tlttf wrote:Thanks for the defence bobby. I'm late back from church due to losing my church key and struggling to get out

As for Ivanhoe, I'm studying my keyboard and can't see how any mistake was down to eyesight, however a bit of mudslinging on a discussion board has never hurt me nor caused any emotional distress (I even find most of it amusing). Having said that as he has apologised to me I find it equally as easy to apologise back and go back to posting.

Off topic here. Have you ever heard of American actor, Steve Martin ?

by **astradt1** Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:22 pm

The Speakers of the House of Commons favorite MP, Mr Peter Bone, has been on BBC News laying down, what I think is, a clear threat to Dave by stating that if Dave wants to stay as leader of the Tory party and PM he must give a referendum on the EU..............

by **Ivan** Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:36 pm

Re: behaviour on the forum. I don't claim to be a saint and don't want to be called a hypocrite. There are times, both here and at MSN, when I have been excessive in my replies, but I can't help thinking that Shirina has it spot on when she says:-

If you wouldn't say it to someone's face, don't say it here. It's a pretty simple formula.

by Guest Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:02 pm

oftenwrong wrote:
The reality is that you have already lost the argument when you resort to ad hominem attacks…

Depends on the ad hominem attacker, or, in the following videos, the ad hominem attackers.

Signifying Blues
https://www.youtube.com/v/TZTsM3VphXY

Say, Man
https://www.youtube.com/v/HIWgNKUMlzM

Sales is such a satisfying avocation when one is selling (and being sold) “wolf tickets.”

by Mel Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:28 pm

"We're going to have an EU referendum but not yet."
Yes we are OW and according to Cameron "it will be after the election" so he says.
Does he really believe he will still be there to see it through? Sad

by Mel Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:30 pm

Hello Chip, we moved on from this several posts ago. Let it go now please.

by sickchip Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:05 pm

Deleted for gratuitous profanity. Ivan.

by bobby Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:08 pm

sorry is that a question or an answer?

by bobby Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:15 pm

I dont play at guessing games, I leave them to the small minded amongst us.

by sickchip Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:24 pm

You're just a big tease bobby... Smile

- and an extremely narrow-minded person. Take the blinkers off son - it's a big world out there....you might just learn something that will expand your, at present, limited mind. Smile

by bobby Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:39 pm

sickchip wrote: and an extremely narrow-minded person. Take the blinkers off son - it's a big world out there....you might just learn something that will expand your, at present, limited mind. Smile

Could you please explain exactly what you mean by that, and also explain why you think my mind is narrow, and as you called me a twat in a previous posting, could you please tell me what one of them is. And what have you done in your past that you think I am your son. As for it being a big world, Thats one I do know as I have travelled extensivly around much of it.

by bobby Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:45 pm

I'm just going to take my lettle Norfolk Terrier out for a walk, as I desperately feel the need for an more intelectual interaction and my missus went to bed early.

by sickchip Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:48 pm

Listen up, bobster: I refuse to answer your questions because you are clearly a ------- Goodnight bob.

Edited for gratuitous profanity. 24-hour ban. Ivan.

by Mel Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:23 pm

If you want a slanging match why don't you do it on the Private message facility and save us having to put up with this boring off topic unnecessary disruptive playground activity?

by oftenwrong Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:44 pm

My memory tells me that some of last night's interchange has in fact now been edited by its author. That's presumably an apology of sorts, so back to the grindstone....

Newspaper comment today suggests that Gideon is resisting an attempt by Cameron to enforce a level playing field on Company tax-evasion. The British Treasury benefits handsomely from the choice of some Companies to declare a Tax Liability here, rather than in some other Nation's jurisdiction.

Poacher, Gamekeeper and Prevaricator all in one neat bundle. That's cute.

by blueturando Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:02 pm

The British Treasury benefits handsomely from the choice of some Companies to declare a Tax Liability here, rather than in some other Nation's jurisdiction

Sounds Like London is turning into an offshore tax haven.....for the lucky few

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