Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?

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We seem to have had a thread about Milliband and time running out for his leadership but now there seem to be more and more knives coming out for Vatman and Dobbing, I'll let you decide who is who?

It now seems more and more of their own side (Tory MP's) are openly speaking out against them........

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Nadine Dorries: David Cameron And George Osborne Are 'Arrogant Posh Boys'


David Cameron and George Osborne are "arrogant posh boys" who do not understand the lives of ordinary people, according to Tory MP Nadine Dorries.

Speaking on the BBC's Daily Politics programme on Monday, the MP for Mid-Bedfordshire was asked if she thought the prime minister and chancellor were out of touch with voters.

"Unfortunately I think that not are only Cameron and Osborne two posh boys who don't understand the price of milk," she said. "They are too arrogant posh boys who show no remorse, no contrition and no passion to want to understand the lives of others - and that is their real crime."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/23/nadine-dorries-david-cameron-posh-boys_n_1445068.html?ref=uk-politics&ref=uk

Phil Hornby wrote:What else are the LimpDems for, Redflag, but to hide behind when the going gets tough? They can expect plenty more uncomfortable TV appearances as the bad news bites and the Tory Reptiles scuttle for cover. Doesn't it just say everything about them...?

As you know PH I am going down to Eastleigh to give John O'Farrell a hand until Friday so I have been watching everything that comes out of Eastleigh, the voters are saying the will vote L/D with a peg on there nose to stop the Tories getting the seat, so I am hoping to persuade them to vote Labour that will keep the Tories out and maybe give the Labour party first or second place, I will be texting skywalker and he in turn will be putting it up on C.E.

I have a 11 hour coach journey ahead of me so be good and keep your fingers crossed for John O'Farrell and the Labour party.

Best of luck Red, shame to go all that way to support a bigoted chancer though.

shame to go all that way to support a bigoted chancer

tlttf. You've got that wrong, as usual. Redflag hasn't gone to Eastleigh to support the anti-abortion and anti-equal marriage Maria Hutchings.

Interesting that all these allegations about a Lib Dem peer have surfaced just before the by-election. No doubt the Tory Party's dirty tricks department is working overtime. Still, I have no sympathy for the Lib Dems - if you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

Lib/Dem's did what the BBC did with Jimmy Saville, tried to sweep his activities under the carpet. They are all like the three monkeys, hear all, see all, but say now't. If hadn't been essential to the well being of the Lib/Dem's they would have dropped him like a ton of bricks, just like the BBC would have done with Jimmy Saville.

Ivan wrote:

shame to go all that way to support a bigoted chancer

tlttf. You've got that wrong, as usual. Redflag hasn't gone to Eastleigh to support the anti-abortion and anti-equal marriage Maria Hutchings.

Interesting that all these allegations about a Lib Dem peer have surfaced just before the by-election. No doubt the Tory Party's dirty tricks department is working overtime. .

Apropos of absolutely nothing at all, I wonder whether our star representative Redflag will run into Lynton Crosby, Cameron's 'wizard of Oz' in Eastleigh?

Just wondering, that's all.

Good point OW, has anybody standing got a background in comedy and writing?

Only two full days remain for canvassing before THE VOTE. The result may well be decided on the Last Man Standing basis.

Mili missed a golden opportunity to hammer Cameron at question times and ended up allowing him off of the hook regarding the triple A (not that anybody outside of Labour give a monkeys). He ended up on the shit end of the stick without gloves and showed how inept he really is. Any comments greatly appreciated ?

The result of tomorrow's Public Consultation in Eastleigh may provide all the relevant comment you could wish for, tlttf.

Very likely OW, personally I'd love to see UKIP stick to the lot of them, perhaps that will make some people think.

UKIP, you say? The one-man, single-issue Party with a destructive policy?

Well, why not? Look who we "elected" in 2010.

the triple A (not that anybody outside of Labour give a monkeys)

tlttf. Trying to move the goalposts, are we? Cameron and Osborne made the AAA rating their benchmark on which they wanted to be judged. So they’ve failed dismally. Britain still had the rating when Gordon Brown was Prime Minister, despite the global credit crunch. If Cameron and Osborne had a gram of integrity they’d both resign, but of course they wouldn't understand such a concept.

If you’d listened to the radio instead of swallowing all the crap that ‘The Daily Mail’ emits, you might have heard Ed Balls say on Monday morning that he doesn’t place any great significance to the lowered rating from Moody’s. He doesn’t, but Osborne did, that’s the issue here. So try and get the facts straight for just once in your life.

On a forum like Prime Ministers Question time, It's very hard to give the likes of Herr Cameron the drubbing that he so richly deserves.
If the slimy low life will not answer a direct question, but week after week gives exactly the same untrue response, which has nothing to do with the questions asked, and as PM has the benefit of the final word when again he will repeat the same old same old “we have reduced the deficit down by 25%, we have increased public sector employment to record high’s" which again are statements that are as accurate as a 60’s ford speedometer.

Ed Miliband despite the handicaps of Herr Cameron’s dishonesty and Parliamentay privaledge still beats him week after week. How I wonder would Herr Cameron stand up to scrutiny if he had to tell the truth, which of course he never has and never will.

As much as I'm certain Ed Miliband will hate to act anywhere near as dishonestly as does Cameron, I certainly hope that After 2015 Ed will be as forthcoming with the facts as is Herr Cameron, then we will really see a red face. Mind you when the Tories lose the next election, I really can't see Cameron staying on as the leader of the opposition, but will leave the flak for someone else to take, you know something that is very hard to find amongst the Tories, thats someone with a backbone.Then we will hear, and it will be true "the mess left us from the last Government".

Ah, so Ivan is really enjoying his part time job as a rabid attack dog, once again attacking a post because of who wrote it rather than what was written. Still I suppose it prevents him from going out and biting the ankles of some poor innocent. I'm beginning to wonder if he has adopted the role of "mel" the previous attack dog?

tlttf wrote:Ah, so Ivan is really enjoying his part time job as a rabid attack dog, once again attacking a post because of who wrote it rather than what was written. Still I suppose it prevents him from going out and biting the ankles of some poor innocent. I'm beginning to wonder if he has adopted the role of "mel" the previous attack dog?

tlttf, I'm going to leave your posts in place, but you're sailing a bit close to the wind in your last couple of posts in terms of just attacking someone and not addressing the issue that the thread is about. Readjust the mix, please.

skwalker1964 wrote:

tlttf wrote:Ah, so Ivan is really enjoying his part time job as a rabid attack dog, once again attacking a post because of who wrote it rather than what was written. Still I suppose it prevents him from going out and biting the ankles of some poor innocent. I'm beginning to wonder if he has adopted the role of "mel" the previous attack dog?

tlttf, I'm going to leave your posts in place, but you're sailing a bit close to the wind in your last couple of posts in terms of just attacking someone and not addressing the issue that the thread is about. Readjust the mix, please.

Sorry skywalker you are being too nice a person whereas tittf is just being a normal Tory voter, I met a few Tory voters in Eastleigh and they are just like the Tory MPs nasty. While in Eastleigh I gave a couple of them some of their own medicine and boy did I enjoy it, Rory Stewart while he was being interviewed by the media and Clare Perry while she was out TRYING to win Eastleigh, but the people are wise now and after 1st April will be a lot wiser to the Tories.

"I met a few Tory voters in Eastleigh and they are just like the Tory MPs nasty."

Quite so, Red. We were used to them being in constant futile opposition, and got to think of Lib-Dems as like harmless cuddly pet rabbits. Being part of the Coalition has emboldened them to come clean though, revealing some nasty traits such as elitism and distaste for the poor. They plan to replace Council Tax with a Local Tax, which the wealthy would minimise in the same way as they do now with Corporation Tax.

oftenwrong wrote:"I met a few Tory voters in Eastleigh and they are just like the Tory MPs nasty."

Quite so, Red. We were used to them being in constant futile opposition, and got to think of Lib-Dems as like harmless cuddly pet rabbits. Being part of the Coalition has emboldened them to come clean though, revealing some nasty traits such as elitism and distaste for the poor. They plan to replace Council Tax with a Local Tax, which the wealthy would minimise in the same way as they do now with Corporation Tax.

It does not surprise me OW, I feel sorry for the people of Eastleigh because there are about to get a kick in the guts from the guy they have just voted in to the H.O.C. when he just joins in with the rest of his ilk and vote through every nasty bill their Tory paymasters want.

Cliches which may apply:

Suggestion No. 1
Everything comes to he who waits

No. 2
Softly, softly, catchee monkey

No.3
Give them enough rope and they'll hang themseves.

Fair point Steve, could you also ask Ivan to leave out his opening remarks when addressing any post I make. Personally it doesn't bother me, though lets be fair across the board for all.

oftenwrong wrote:Cliches which may apply:

Suggestion No. 1
Everything comes to he who waits

No. 2
Softly, softly, catchee monkey

No.3
Give them enough rope and they'll hang themseves.

They maybe Cliches OW, but they are very true as far as this coalition is concerned.

Of course, cliches become cliches just because they are so often applicable and true

How about " He who laughs last, laughs longest" ?

Phil Hornby wrote:How about " He who laughs last, laughs longest" ?

That is the best one PH.

As Anthony Wells of YouGov reminded us last week: “While the by-election won’t actually tell us much, that definitely doesn't mean that its not important. On the contrary, I think whatever the result it will be extremely important in terms of party morale and the political narrative.”
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

In March 1965, a young Liberal named David Steel captured Roxburgh, Selkirk and Peebles from the Tories in a by-election. The shock caused the Tories to oust Sir Alec Douglas-Home and to hold a leadership election for the first time in their history, which was won by Edward Heath. Now the alarm at coming third in Eastleigh – a seat which, when the Tories last won a general election outright in 1992, they held with a 17,702 majority – is causing convulsions in the party and has led Douglas Carswell to write this article:-

"Tory Party is run like HMV... and will go the same way"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287256/Tory-Party-run-like-HMV--way-says-Conservative-MP-Clacton-DOUGLAS-CARSWELL.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Now we can be on standby for Gideon to produce a give-away budget.

There'll be no surprises there OW, isn't that the first rule of "duping the public" that has been employed over the last 25 years, yet it seems to work every time. Highlight the benefits of voting for the incumbent bunch of professional towrags and then screw them for another 3 years once they're in.

Until short term policies are removed and a party genuinely works for the good of all, we're doomed to bounce from ideological idea to idea. Bring on truly independent politicians that have held a life outside of Westminster.

tlttf wrote:There'll be no surprises there OW, isn't that the first rule of "duping the public" that has been employed over the last 25 years, yet it seems to work every time. Highlight the benefits of voting for the incumbent bunch of professional towrags and then screw them for another 3 years once they're in.

Until short term policies are removed and a party genuinely works for the good of all, we're doomed to bounce from ideological idea to idea. Bring on truly independent politicians that have held a life outside of Westminster.

Thank you tittf for your honesty on this nasty gov't Bills, IMHO I think they have went too far for the general public to be taken in by any morsel or crumbs they want to throw there way just before the next G.E.

Ivan wrote:As Anthony Wells of YouGov reminded us last week: “While the by-election won’t actually tell us much, that definitely doesn't mean that its not important. On the contrary, I think whatever the result it will be extremely important in terms of party morale and the political narrative.”
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

In March 1965, a young Liberal named David Steel captured Roxburgh, Selkirk and Peebles from the Tories in a by-election. The shock caused the Tories to oust Sir Alec Douglas-Home and to hold a leadership election for the first time in their history, which was won by Edward Heath. Now the alarm at coming third in Eastleigh – a seat which, when the Tories last won a general election outright in 1992, they held with a 17,702 majority – is causing convulsions in the party and has led Douglas Carswell to write this article:-

"Tory Party is run like HMV... and will go the same way"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287256/Tory-Party-run-like-HMV--way-says-Conservative-MP-Clacton-DOUGLAS-CARSWELL.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

It will not just be the Tories that go the same way as HMV the L/Ds will get a taste of the same medicine and both of them will deserve it, I only hope that the people of the UK NEVER EVER FORGET what will happen when they decide to vote Tory or L/D in the very far distant future.

Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?

Today's Sunday Times actually seems to think so, quoting a poll by Lord Ashcroft suggesting that there are 40 marginal seats they cannot expect to retain. Without actually saying so, the Murdoch Press seems to have formed the opinion that Cameron is sleep-walking towards election defeat. A number of NewsCorp commentators are being drafted-in from elsewhere to stiffen the Tory backbone - notably Adam Boulton from Sky, and a lady called Camilla Cavendish whose task is apparently Attack Dog towards the Opposition threat. Today's thrust was about Labour policy on Immigration, and adopts the Public-school style of address for Shadow Ministers - using only their surnames. Great idea, Cavendish.

For differing reasons, everyone seems to be awaiting the Budget with apprehension. Why? What could possibly go wrong?

Their days are numbered OW, and it will not be the left or the voting public I think it will be their own kind, they will go the same way as Thatcher, and I will be getting tickets to watch the fun and games.

Tory Leadership Speculation: MPs Warned To Watch Twitter Posts As Cameron Pleads For Unity

David Cameron and key strategist Lynton Crosby issued a plea for unity to Tory MPs on Tuesday night, warning they need to be careful what they post on Twitter.

The Prime Minister called a meeting of his backbenchers in Westminster after a damaging bout of leadership speculation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/03/12/cameron-pleads-for-unity-_n_2863056.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Just when is the Ides of March?

Friday, astradt.

So most MPs will be on their way home for the weekend.

oftenwrong wrote:Friday, astradt.

So most MPs will be on their way home for the weekend.

Is that this Friday OW, I hope it does turn out as Black Friday for the Tories.

I’m always amused when Tories start making suggestions about what Labour and Ed Miliband should or shouldn’t be doing. It’s unlikely that anyone would want advice from their political enemies. But just for once, I’m going to turn the tables and say what I think the Tories should do at this point in time - and that’s to call a general election this year.

I know we have fixed five-year parliaments now – not that anyone voted for that – but there is a mechanism for provoking an election, even if that involves the government voting for a motion of no confidence in itself (which would be one of the few honest things that it’s done!) and fourteen days when others could try to form an administration (which they wouldn’t want to do). And anyway, if Cameron can break his promises on all sorts of things from the NHS to Sure Start to the number of midwives, it would hardly be a surprise if he pulled the rug from under Clegg and hastened the journey of the Lib Dems into the political wilderness.

I’m writing this on the third anniversary of the day that the British electorate was so indecisive that it gave us a hung parliament, after which the coalition from hell was formed; aren’t we entitled to be asked to vote again by now? Throughout 2009, Cameron was demanding an early election, yet as soon as he wormed his way into Downing Street, fixed five-year parliaments became the norm.

So why do I advise the Tories to call a general election now? Here are the reasons:-

1. For three years, they have been dining out on the lie that Labour caused the global financial meltdown of 2008-9. By spending money on schools and hospitals, Gordon Brown is supposed to have caused the collapse of Lehman Brothers and ended the longest period of uninterrupted economic growth in British history. At first, many people believed such Tory propaganda, but with the passage of time, that story is losing most of its credibility, while George Osborne’s utter incompetence as Chancellor becomes more and more obvious. There are probably still some people who believe the lie at the moment, but a diminishing number will in two years’ time.

2. It’s possible that the UKIP bandwagon will keep rolling for the next two years and do even more damage to the Tories; there are already rumours of possible defections. Ask the voters to choose a government now, rather than just make a protest as they did last week, and the UKIP bubble might burst.

3. An election would prevent the outbreak of civil war in the Tory Party. There are already demands to bring forward the date of the EU referendum because some Tory MPs are running scared of UKIP, and there may well be a challenge to Cameron’s leadership. An election campaign would concentrate the minds of potential Tory rebels and offer the chance for the EU referendum to take place earlier.

4. The so-called coalition with the Lib Dems is looking quite flaky now. Clegg is most unlikely to agree to enabling legislation for an EU referendum, and that could cause an early end to the two-party arrangement. It might be better for the Tories to end it at a time of their choosing.

5. Labour probably isn’t ready for an election. It is developing its policies now but has understandably been light on detail because it thinks the election is still two years away. Going to the country now might wrong-foot Labour.

6. In the next two years, there are going to be the trials of Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson. If the allegations are substantiated, Nigel Evans might also be in the dock. Far better to have the election before any negative publicity from these trials rebounds on Cameron and reminds everyone of the dark days of Tory sleaze under John Major, which ended with the Tories’ worst election defeat in a hundred years.

7. No governing party since 1974 has increased its percentage of the vote in the subsequent election, and on that occasion it was only because the election was seven months later. The chances of the Tories winning an overall majority in 2015 are almost nil. They’ve managed to upset most people in the country, apart from Old Etonians, the richest 1% and some pensioners who are grateful for being allowed to keep their winter fuel allowances and bus passes. With more cuts to come in the next two years, even more people will become disgruntled. At the moment, the “give us more time to finish the job” argument may resonate with some of the gullible, but it’s less likely to as time goes by. An election now might just result in another hung parliament, and that is probably the Tories’ best hope.

Should Cameron call a general election in 2013?

Should Turkeys vote for an early Christmas? The Tory-led Coalition is a one-term administration and they have always known that. Which is why it has operated a slash-and-burn radical policy designed to divide the Nation firmly into Leaders and the Led before their allotted timespan runs out.

oftenwrong wrote:Should Cameron call a general election in 2013?

Should Turkeys vote for an early Christmas? The Tory-led Coalition is a one-term administration and they have always known that. Which is why it has operated a slash-and-burn radical policy designed to divide the Nation firmly into Leaders and the Led before their allotted timespan runs out.

I wonder just how many of their slash and burn we will be able to undo OW ?

As in 1997, Red, the Tory knitting will probably prove too expensive to unpick. The Conservative Party tends to waste money when in Office, which invariably means that their successor Government would face throwing good money after bad.

It's nice to see you haven't lost your humour OW regarding wasting money. Does anybody here seriously believe an election would be called Also does anybody here really believe the plastic mob in power come 2015 will change a thing other than increase their own expenses. Come on bin this thread now or join it to one that makes sense.