Tony Blair: a great Labour man and PM

by sickchip Tue May 29, 2012 7:33 pm

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http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/9/5/1315228091579/blair-murdoch-007.jpg

The former prime minister was reportedly present in March last year when Murdoch’s two daughters by his third wife were baptised on the banks of the Jordan.

The information was not made public and its disclosure in an interview with Mrs Murdoch in Vogue will prove highly embarrassing for Mr Blair.

His close ties to the Murdochs could explain his reluctance to condemn the News International phone hacking scandal.

In July, it was reported that he asked Gordon Brown to put pressure on Tom Watson, the Labour MP who helped expose the scandal, to drop his investigation.

No mention was made of Mr Blair’s role as a godfather to Grace and he did not appear in pictures of the ceremony, which took place at the spot where it is said that Jesus was baptised.

However, the facts emerged in an interview with Mrs Murdoch in the fashion magazine.

What a great guy! And one of Britain's best PM's ever........and a staunch Labour man at that!

by **Phil Hornby** Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:41 pm

Quote :"Oh, and is it biologically possible to talk out of one's ..erm...back passage"

Quote : "Blair in my opinion should be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity."

Proof, it appears, that the answer the original question is a resounding "Yes!" Very Happy

by Stox 16 Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:48 am

Phil Hornby wrote:Quote :"Oh, and is it biologically possible to talk out of one's ..erm...back passage"

Quote : "Blair in my opinion should be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity."

Proof, it appears, that the answer the original question is a resounding "Yes!"

I agree Phil

by Stox 16 Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:11 am

bobby wrote:sickchip. Firstly let me say You are a Liar. Before I said anything detrimental to or about you, you called me homophobic and a racist, this was witnessed by two people, one astra, who apparently agreed with me, the other was Mel. Now either you are a filthy liar, or we three are, what is it.
So stop all this nonsense and simply stop thinking, cos It aint doin you no good. You know bugger all about weapons of mass destruction and your only answer is to print what others have said, in fact I will go so far as to say you know very little at all. I have never known anyone quite the like of you, you pick up on a point a word or part of a statement and just keep on and on and on about it refusing to let go, thereby exacerbating your lies. Now you excuse for an dishonest man, you can run to the moderators yet again to fight your battles, and I am off to better things, where a man can be a man, and not subject to moderation for any slight thing that upsets the delicacies of people who have no place on an open forum , especially when emotive subjects like politics are concerned, and one that allows little pricks like you on them.
I have not in the several years, going back to msn used other peoples words, and have copy pasted just a few times, yet have been called vile names by something that doesn’t seem like he is capable of original thought. As Astra imlied, you wouldn’t dare say such a thing if you met me in a pub, and you are the very worst type of Keyboard Gangster. So sickwhatsit carry on with your miserable little life, and I will be off earning lots more money than my employees.

I would like to say, thank you to the friends I have been fortunate to make the acquaintance of, To name some. Ivan, Mel, Astra (V), Stox, red cat woman, red flag, TLTTF and others, and of course not forgetting Blueturando.

Hi Bobby
Well I have no idea if you will read this message but I hope and wish you do. I hope you will not leave this forum as it will be far to sad to lose you in my view. I hope you change your mind I would just be gutted if you was to leave over this issue. your very good friend
Stox
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by Shirina Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:38 am

...not sure - but one might be able to hum a tune

by sickchip Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:50 am

Stox,

Hi Bobby
Well I have no idea if you will read this message but I hope and wish you do. I hope you will not leave this forum

For what it's worth I don't wish to see Bobby leave either. I haven't, and wouldn't, report him to the moderators.

We've clashed here, and I've stood my ground/defended my corner is all. It doesn't matter which of us anybody might agree with in an argument - we should all be free to defend our positions. We obviously both felt strongly about this, and as far as I'm concerned that's fair enough.

But I'd say it's not worth Bobby leaving over this. I certainly don't want him to. I've been posting alongside Bobby since MSN, and hope he reflects on that, and realises our 'spat' here is an isolated incident in terms of the length of time we've been posting together. Me and him obviously aren't going to be bosom buddies - but that's no reason why he should forgo bonds he's forged with others here.

One last thing - on my part there was no 'baiting' going on here as some have suggested. If I feel strongly enough about something I'll say so and defend myself. I would have thought regular posters were aware of my 'forthright' views, and the fact that I'm consistent in my opinions......whether you agree with them or not.

Anyway! I hope Bobby comes back.

by polyglide Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:03 pm

I do not know about talking through any back passage but what is apparent some can talk a lot of tripe through their mouths as apparently the recent posts prove.

by polyglide Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:21 pm

To say that because no weapons of mass destruction were found it does not mean there were none, is nonsense. on that basis you could take any action you wanted on the whim of idiots or on the lies of politicians.

by **Ivan** Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:34 pm

what is apparent some can talk a lot of tripe through their mouths as apparently the recent posts prove.

Yes, polyglide. You need look no further back than this:-

In my opinion to weigh Blair up you just have to look at the way he falsified the War.....Blair in my opinion should be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Just for the benefit of those who don’t know my view – I was opposed to the Iraq War, Labour’s biggest mistake in their thirteen years. I’m opposed to most wars, as often they create more problems than they solve. For example, the treatment of Germany after the First World War made it easy for Hitler to come to power and provoke the Second World War. Britain went to war when Poland was invaded by Germany, and when the war finished we agreed to hand over Poland to the USSR.

However, I do get tired of hearing the same old childish Tory jibes about Blair being a war criminal. Quite ironic too, when you consider how much Tories like Thatcher and Lamont protested when their friend Pinochet – who most certainly committed crimes against humanity – was arrested in London. Blair didn’t “falsify the war”, it really happened. It would have happened whatever Blair had said or done, because Bush was determined to get Saddam for “trying to kill his daddy” and because Rumsfeld and co saw rich pickings for their companies in Iraq. Try reading ‘The Shock Doctrine’ by Naomi Klein and it might open your eyes.

The regrettable ‘dodgy dossier’ was used to persuade Labour MPs to support the war; the Tories needed no such encouragement and were probably hoping for contracts in the reconstruction of Iraq for their party donors. I would argue that the war was legal, because UN Resolution 678 was still in force from the previous conflict in the area, and some eminent lawyers agree. As Blair didn’t personally organise any massacres, or order any ships like the Belgrano to be sunk when they were outside of British territorial waters and sailing further away, I suggest if you want a British war criminal you start by demanding that Thatcher be put on trial. Or would that offend your political sensibilities?

by trevorw2539 Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:27 pm

Ivan quote. For example, the treatment of Germany after the First World War made it easy for Hitler to come to power and provoke the Second World War.

I don't disagree with what you have posted. Just one question. Does anyone think rationally after a war? After the bloody shambles in France, millions of dead and wounded in 1918, on both sides, it's hard to think rationally. The losers lick their wounds and feel aggrieved at having lost. The winners lick their wounds and blame the losers for inflicting war on them.

There are no 'winners' in the immediate aftermath of a war. Only time for thought can resolve problems, and there usually isn't any time given.

by Stox 16 Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:17 am

Ivan wrote:
what is apparent some can talk a lot of tripe through their mouths as apparently the recent posts prove.
Yes, polyglide. You need look no further back than this:-
In my opinion to weigh Blair up you just have to look at the way he falsified the War.....Blair in my opinion should be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Just for the benefit of those who don’t know my view – I was opposed to the Iraq War, Labour’s biggest mistake in their thirteen years. I’m opposed to most wars, as often they create more problems than they solve. For example, the treatment of Germany after the First World War made it easy for Hitler to come to power and provoke the Second World War. Britain went to war when Poland was invaded by Germany, and when the war finished we agreed to hand over Poland to the USSR.

However, I do get tired of hearing the same old childish Tory jibes about Blair being a war criminal. Quite ironic too, when you consider how much Tories like Thatcher and Lamont protested when their friend Pinochet – who most certainly committed crimes against humanity – was arrested in London. Blair didn’t “falsify the war”, it really happened. It would have happened whatever Blair had said or done, because Bush was determined to get Saddam for “trying to kill his daddy” and because Rumsfeld and co saw rich pickings for their companies in Iraq. Try reading ‘The Shock Doctrine’ by Naomi Klein and it might open your eyes.

The regrettable ‘dodgy dossier’ was used to persuade Labour MPs to support the war; the Tories needed no such encouragement and were probably hoping for contracts in the reconstruction of Iraq for their party donors. I would argue that the war was legal, because UN Resolution 678 was still in force from the previous conflict in the area, and some eminent lawyers agree. As Blair didn’t personally organise any massacres, or order any ships like the Belgrano to be sunk when they were outside of British territorial waters and sailing further away, I suggest if you want a British war criminal you start by demanding that Thatcher be put on trial. Or would that offend your political sensibilities?

Hello Ivan
Well I could not agree more with this Ivan......However, I do get tired of hearing the same old childish Tory jibes about Blair being a war criminal...... As the bottom line is the Tory party voted in the House of Commons to back all of this war. No matter what there supporters say on here. The real thing I was disagree with is Saddam killed himself. as you do not need to be a qenius to work out that a 3rd world army has now hope against a first world army and have any hope of winning. anyway, the bottom line is the right wing supporters will always go on about this War. as its a stick to beat Blair with. its nothing more in that.

by ROB Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:34 am

Far too many Americans USV, from the protected sanctuary made safe in large part by Tony Blair’s geopolitical expertise and leadership, also joyfully exult in labeling Mr. Tony Blair a “war criminal.” Not so much as a peep about the real war criminals; Osama bin Laden, every single al qaida leader and operative, every single taliban leader and operative, and good ol’ boy Saddam the gas master, who lobbed SCUDs into Israel (a noncombatant) during the Gulf War 1991.

In my humble opinion, all are hypocrites of the worst sort, benefitting from the freedoms Tony Blair helped to preserve while attacking the character of the preserver. However, in my country, unalienable human rights are guaranteed unto all men (gender inclusive), including hypocrites.

by bobby Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:03 pm

Absolutely correct Roc, every word.

by ROB Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:32 am

bobby wrote:
Absolutely correct Roc, every word.

Thank you, Bobby.

by Red Cat Woman Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:10 am

bobby wrote:Absolutely correct Roc, every word.

Io cosí ha soddisfatto lei è stato col foro e se lei mai ha bisogno di unire un un nuovo foro poi unisce il mio. come il suo solo preso piacevole persone su esso

Em xxx

by oftenwrong Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:37 am

we're only nice people on here too, Amici

by tlttf Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:57 am

A shame the protester in Hong Kong wasn't allowed to arrest the great man for war crimes really, then he was going about his real passion of making loads of money for himself and sod the rest. Does anybody recall what he did for his own constituents whilst preparing himself to snatch his first £million?

by oftenwrong Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:49 am

" his real passion of making loads of money for himself "

I've always wondered what impels people to seek high office in Government.

by astra Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:32 pm

Does anybody recall what he did for his own constituents whilst preparing himself to snatch his first £million?

Yeah!!
VERY CLEARLY!

EFFALL!!

by sickchip Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:28 am

Yeah! Whatever anybody says I agree with it. Your all absolutely spot on about everything.

by Mel Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:35 am

Tony Blair,
The very best PM ever.

by sickchip Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:55 am

100% I totally agree, Mel.

by tlttf Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:29 am

Lets hope irony isn't totally lost?

by **Phil Hornby** Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:09 pm

Honestly! All these beastly things being said about a past Labour leader is enough to make those who admired him leave the board in their droves, claiming that they are vulnerable folk who are being bullied into submission.

At least, that's how it seems to work the other way round... Very Happy

by sickchip Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:42 pm

...not vulnerable, Phil. Just very conservative in their outlook/opinions........btw I'm not talking about the Conservative party - more the natural inclination of the british and their tendency for conservatism - something that pervades these boards regardless of political persuasion.

Sorry! I don't mean to cause a fuss. Wink

by oftenwrong Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:18 pm

Those who prefer extremism could find stimulation in the Middle East countries.

by sickchip Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:22 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Those who prefer extremism could find stimulation in the Middle East countries.

....or in the Tory party.

by bobby Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:47 pm

Landy, My Missus has a Polish girl to do all of our Irony. Very Happy

by astra Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:10 pm

Doh!

That took me all of 5 mins, till the penny dropped. :affraid:

2s/6d intrest on it eh? Very Happy

nice to see yer Bobby

by Stox 16 Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:20 am

bobby wrote:Landy, My Missus has a Polish girl to do all of our Irony.

Good to see your posting Bobby. pleased you are still with us

by Mel Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:29 pm

Nice one bobby. Still with us and still with it. cheers

by tlttf Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:45 am

Dear oh dear?

Blair blocked Cabinet from hearing legal advice on Iraq

MPs demand recall of Chilcot inquiry to question former PM over revelation in Campbell diaries
Jane Merrick and Matt Chorley

MPs demanded an emergency recall of the Chilcot inquiry last night after new revelations that Tony Blair blocked the Government's most senior lawyer from explaining to Cabinet the legality of the war in Iraq.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blair-blocked-cabinet-from-hearing-legal-advice-on-iraq-7878737.html

Some hero, I thought he was a scheming lying cheating b*stard before, Campbell now confirms it. No doubt some will now claim it's Campbells fault? Basketball

by oftenwrong Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:59 am

Armando Ianucci has been at some pains to demonstrate how much was Campbell's fault, with two television series, a successful film, and now an OBE from Her Maj.

by sickchip Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:11 pm

tlttf - nice one.

tlttf wrote:Dear oh dear?

Blair blocked Cabinet from hearing legal advice on Iraq

MPs demand recall of Chilcot inquiry to question former PM over revelation in Campbell diaries
Jane Merrick and Matt Chorley

MPs demanded an emergency recall of the Chilcot inquiry last night after new revelations that Tony Blair blocked the Government's most senior lawyer from explaining to Cabinet the legality of the war in Iraq.

Tony Blair: a great Labour man and a fine President! Cool

by Mel Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:31 pm

17 Mar 2003

Lord Goldsmith publishes advice declaring military action "legal", giving "green light for military action".

That statement blows everything else out of the water. Therefore it would be prudent to leave the poor sod alone and let the matter rest.

by blueturando Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:32 pm

Ahhh bless his cotton socks, leave the poor man alone.....Tony only wanted to play soldiers with his best mate George, what's wrong with that!?

Mel....I don't think the matter will ever be out to rest until the truth finally comes out. I know for a fact that is Blair was a Tory PM you would still be on his case to this day and beyond

by oftenwrong Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:15 pm

Is there an intelligible version of that posting?

by **Phil Hornby** Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:55 pm

.....or so many of the others...?! Very Happy

by Mel Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:18 pm

When history reveals the truth blue that WMD were and probably still are held across the border from Iraq to Syria, you will realise that Blair and your beloved Tory party who went along with the invasion at the time, were both right.

Quote" is Blair was a Tory PM you would still be on his case to this day and beyond".
Is Cameron were a Labour MP, I certainly would be on his case this day and beyond. Just as I would had the Witch been a Labour PM. Rolling Eyes

by Mel Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:19 pm

"Is there an intelligible version of that posting?"

Try MI5 Very Happy

by sickchip Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:05 pm

Tony Blair: a great Labour man and PM - Page 6 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSQWsfxQD4CHyApWHmfprZQJG6Gl3RiBO_Sl1n6dQVTEt-d8HUl

David Shayler - former MI5 man and...erm self proclaimed Son of God making sense of it all! Very Happy

by astra Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:19 pm

I allways knew that OUR secret service were a bunch of fannies but this goes beyond the pale Rolling Eyes

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