Sudanese woman sentenced to stoning death over adultery claims

snowyflake wrote:Also, boatlady, although it is not a rule as such: Messages in pm are meant to be private and not shared with the rest of the board. That's why they are called private message.

the normal rules of debate can be set aside in favour of personal vilification of someone who refuses to produce the same level of moral outrage.

OW is often accused of not caring, of supporting the abuse of women - I'm very sure that isn't the truth - he does, however, want to debate the issues and to raise a critical and questioning voice in the debate, which is often what I would like to do.

It seems to me that people are trying to engage with this discussion, but unless they are completely going along with the rhetoric and the 'party line' no-one wants to hear what they have to say.

Tosh wrote:

The change should come from within any community ...

How does change come about when the community laws forbid change and kill those who try ?

Strength comes from 'unity' and if you have all women/men standing up for the same then how many people can you kill?

oftenwrong wrote:Who dat?

Haifa Wehbe. Miss Lebanon .... a sex symbol in the Arab World.

Opinions, not judgements - seemingly not welcome.

We have been discussing for over 3 years on various forum boards so we know each other.

Good for you

Hello snowy. It’s good to see you here. Smile

Clique. That's the word which seems appropriate. The little coterie of fellow-travellers who meet to insult each others' intelligence on threads like this one are not welcoming of interlopers who don't play to their self-imposed rules.

Domestic violence in Pakistan
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Domestic violence in Pakistan is an endemic social problem. According to a study carried out in 2009 by Human Rights Watch, it is estimated that between 70 and 90 percent of women in Pakistan have suffered some form of abuse.^[1] An estimated 5000 women are killed per year from domestic violence, with thousands of others maimed or disabled.^[2] The majority of victims of violence have no legal recourse. Law enforcement authorities do not view domestic violence as a crime and usually refuse to register any cases brought to them. Given the very few women's shelters in the country, victims have limited ability to escape from violent situations.^[2]

Lisa Hajjar, an Associate Professor at the University of California, describes abuse against women in Pakistan as "endemic in all social spheres".^[3] In an observational study published in the Pakistan Journal of Medical Sciences based on a "convenience" sample of 218 women in the gynecology wards of three hospitals, 97% of the interviewed women said they had been victims of some form of assault, ranging from verbal abuse or threatened, to being subjected to beatings or non-consensual sex.^[4]

Women are often attacked and murdered if their in-laws deem their dowry to have been insufficient.^[6] Amongst dowry-related violence, bride burnings, also known as "stove deaths",^[7] are widely reported. In 1988 a survey showed that 800 women were killed in this manner, in 1989 the number rose to 1100, and in 1990 it stood at 1800 estimated killings. Newspapers in Lahore in a six-month period (1997) reported on average 15 attacks a month.^[9] Women's eNews reported that 4,000 women had been attacked in this manner in Islamabad's surroundings over an eight-year period, and that the average age range of victims was between 18 and 35, with an estimated 30 percent being pregnant at the time of death.^[7] The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan reported that about four women are killed in this manner every day, by either family members or husbands.^[10] Shahnaz Bukhari, who runs the Progressive Women's Association in Islamabad, has said of such attacks: "Either Pakistan is home to possessed stoves which burn only young housewives, and are particularly fond of genitalia, or looking at the frequency with which these incidences occur there is a grim pattern that these women are victims of deliberate murder."^[7]

Acid attacks in Pakistan came to international attention after the release of a documentary by Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy called Saving Face (2012).^[11] Various reasons have been given for such attacks, such as a woman dressing inappropriately or rejecting a proposal of marriage. According to the Acid Survivors Foundation, up to 150 attacks occur every year. The foundation reports that the attacks are often the result in an escalation of domestic abuse, and the majority of victims are female.^[11]

Another reason given for abuses is patriarchalism in Islamic society, which marginalizes women’s role.^[17] In some traditional societies, a man is considered to have the right to physically beat his spouse.^[5] According to Rahel Nardos, it is "the dual constructs of women as the property of men and as the standard-bearers of a family's honour set the stage for culturally sanctioned forms of violence".^[18] Women have reported attacks ranging from physical to psychological and sexual abuse from partners, in-laws and family members.^[19] In 1998 of 1974 reported murders the majority of victims were killed by either family members or In laws.^[17] A survey carried out by the Thomson Reuters Foundation ranked Pakistan as the third most dangerous country in the world for women, after Afghanistan and the Democratic Republic of Congo; it is followed by India and Somalia.^[20]

Retrieved 4 April 2013 from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_Pakistan

starlight07, Sunday 31 March 2013, 21:38

Oh well, it wasn't a bad ending then.

Tosh wrote:....

There is a clique of contributors to these threads and sage, you are not one of them ....

Any more startling flashes of perception to share with us, Tosh?

Have you noticed, Tosh, that (Moderators apart) there are only five other people posting on your thread here?

Somalia: Horrendous Violence Against Women Enabled by Culture of Impunity

From AllAfrica:

“Sexual violence remains part of daily life for many women living in camps for internally displaced people.

According to the United Nations refugee agency UNHCR, after years of war rape has become a threat to women in Somalia whenever they move along roads, due to the presence of militia at illegal roadblocks and in IDP settlements such as Galkayo, which hosts about 50,000 persons.

One of them, 33-year-old Hibo, a widow, told UNHCR that security had improved slightly since a small police station was built nearby. “However, three women were still assaulted each night, she told UNHCR. “I don’t expect much help from the police. They cannot do anything and the culprit might take revenge if I dare complain,” she said.

A nurse said, “Women are raped almost daily on the isolated outskirts of the town. We systematically do a tetanus shot; since young Somali women are genitally mutilated and infibulated, rapists always use a knife to rip their vagina open.”

“We encourage them to talk because we want to make sure they won’t commit suicide. But sometimes we find out the truth only when it is too late. We also care for several pregnant women who look perfectly normal. Once they deliver, they kill their baby and this is how we understood that they had been raped.”

http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2007/11/30/somalia-horrendous-violence-against-women-enabled-by-culture-of-impunity/

Sexual Violence Against Women Soars In Somalia

Recently there's been an increase in various forms of sexual abuse against women, ranging from forced marriages to gang rapes.

… groups in the region are using sexual violence as a weapon of war. According to the New York Times, members of the Shabab militant group… have taken to forcing families to arrange marriages between soldiers and their daughters. The arrangement [are] actually just a form of sex slavery… girls who try to resist are killed.

Often militants… will simply seize women and girls to be raped and abused… unaffiliated bands of armed men or government soldiers are raping women as they travel… or after they settle into refugee camps.

http://jezebel.com/5871512/sexual-violence-against-women-soars-in-somalia

Texas, do you have to print out wiki's terms and conditions, or is this yet another example of your precision?

The only exception to that rule is Wikipedia, which allows its articles to be reproduced on sites such as this one. By drawing attention to that fact, Rock is doing the right thing and pre-empting any possible complaints from the usual suspects.

After reading the appalling stories regarding the way in which females are treated in many lands, one can only come to the firm conclusion that we humans are not fit to be on the same planet as animals.

We humans have completely lost our way even the animals must be disgusted.

I partly agree that religion is responsible for many of our problems, the trouble is the false religions have corrupted religion from the intended, to become tools of the Devil and this fact is never considered, no one seems to take the Devil seriously and that is why he gets away with it

I partly agree that religion is responsible for many of our problems, the trouble is the false religions have corrupted religion from the intended, to become tools of the Devil and this fact is never considered, no one seems to take the Devil seriously and that is why he gets away with it.

The Devil doesn't exist either. He is as much a fantasy as God is or any other fictional character in a story.