Is there any alternative to the jaundiced Tory attitudes?

by oftenwrong Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:56 pm

First topic message reminder :

Depressing, isn't it? All the miserable gits can come up with is oppression of the poor and fear of the disadvantaged. Never mind, here's something that can make us all feel better about the human race - even if it does have to include Cameron and Company .........

http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/pictures-that-will-restore-your-faith-in-humanity

by boatlady Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:50 am

They must make a lovely couple - at least they have many things in common

by Redflag Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:45 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1hioHEsDms

Thank you Thank you Ivan I am sorry I am not techno enough to do this myself I hope all on here take the time to listen to what Rowan has to say because its only people like him will tell the public the truth to what is going on in the City of London aided and abetted by our CHANCER of EXCHEQUER

by **Ivan** Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:53 pm

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by oftenwrong Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:27 pm

Michael Heseltine on "Any Questions":

Well we all knew what we were voting for ....

With the possible exception of the Prime Minister, who before the Election said that there would be no cuts in working tax credit. Clearly he's not in the confidence of PM-in-waiting Gideon Osborne.

by Redflag Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:27 am

Hesletine also said that is was a good time to lose your job regarding OUR Steel workers OW, just like Thatcher said that UNEMPLOYMENT was a price worth paying during her terms in office with 3 Million on the DOLE.

by oftenwrong Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:28 pm

"Thatcher said that UNEMPLOYMENT was a price worth paying"

Totally believable of course, Redflag, but for the record it was one of Thatcher's lame Chancellors, Norman Lamont, who actually vomited that exact admission of standing Tory policy onto the floor of the House. He was the clown who thought 15% Bank Rate was an adequate response to a rise in the value of the Deutschmark. It wasn't, but on a subsequent occasion he is reported to have said, "Je ne regrette rien" which is French, not German, but who's counting?

by oftenwrong Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:57 pm

QUOTE: BBC Radio 4 Sunday morning. An Afghanistan-veteran Royal Marines Officer speaking,

"You see politicians plastered in Poppies while they vote to scrap most of the Defence Budget ...."

by **Ivan** Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:14 pm

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by **Ivan** Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:04 pm

When I posted a few lines about nice Mr Davies on this thread on Friday, I hadn't seen this pic:-

Is there any alternative to the jaundiced Tory attitudes? - Page 16 CSmZaMHXAAAtbjL

Is there any alternative to the jaundiced Tory attitudes? - Page 16 CSmZaMHXAAAtbjL

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by oftenwrong Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:02 am

That story just gets worse with each re-telling. Evidently the egregious Philip Davies "only did it for fun".

The MP told the Independent in an interview last year that he often used the tactics because he was seeking to emulate an MP who blocked legislation “for fun”.
“[Eric Forth] did it for fun and he was brilliant at it. After he died I vowed I would do the same kind of work,” he said in December.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-who-blocked-law-to-scrap-hospital-parking-charges-for-carers-says-he-was-speaking-up-for-a6716816.html

Previously in Parliament, this Landlord Tory MP had also opposed a law to make homes fit for human habitation.

The voters of Shipley must be proud of their boy.

by Redflag Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:52 am

OW there are plenty of his kind in the HOC rogue landlords Rackman is still alive in the Tory MPs.

by **Ivan** Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:40 am

The Tories take up arms.... Evil or Very Mad

Is there any alternative to the jaundiced Tory attitudes? - Page 16 4882

http://www.theguardian.com/books/picture/2015/nov/08/the-tories-take-up-arms

by oftenwrong Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:10 pm

In today's Sunday Times there is a full page (30) of attack on the NHS, and on the facing page one rubbishing the BBC. There are however several pages elsewhere carrying hardly any criticism of Jeremy Corbyn.

So what else is new, Rupes?

by **Ivan** Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:12 am

Is there any alternative to the jaundiced Tory attitudes? - Page 16 Tory_f10

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(With apologies to John Sullivan)

More bedroom tax, more VAT,
Unless you’re filthy rich like me
Don’t care if you’re sick or poor,
No point knocking at my door…..
I’m in Downing Street,
Viva Downing Street,
C’est magnifique, Downing Street,
Magnifique, Downing Street.

Bung a few grand to the Tories,
Then have a seat in the Lords,
Help us strip the state
At a breakneck rate
And you won’t be charged with fraud,
Where it all comes from is no mystery,
We’re carving up the country
For toffs like George and me,
But here’s the thing that I can’t explain,
Why did plebs vote us in again?
La la la la la

by Redflag Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:29 pm

IVAN Today Saturday 28/11/15 on the RT channel Max Keiser show points out how Osborne is arranging our ecomomy which makes it EASIER for the companies to avoid or evade paying there tax to the UK treasury. Its all to do with his favourite people "Hedge Fund Managers" I wish you could take a look at it and notify this forum in your usual reports that you give the people on this forum.

by **Ivan** Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:20 pm

Is there any alternative to the jaundiced Tory attitudes? - Page 16 Tory_d10

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by Redflag Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:28 am

IVAN we all know why the decision on Heathrow is been put off, only until after the Mayoral and the local elections then if he gets Zac Goldsmith elected as Mayor of London he will go ahead with Heathrow whether or not the people who live in the surrounding area want it or not . SO LONDONERS BEWARE do not say you where not warned.

by oftenwrong Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:09 pm

Redflag wrote:.... if ....Zac Goldsmith elected as Mayor of London....

The Tories are capable of anything, Redflag, but they have been surprised more than once recently by Election Results. Mr. Goldsmith is actually opposed to a third runway at former RAF Bomber Command airfield Heathrow, but that will be unimportant if Londoners elect a Socialist Mayor. As they might well.

Sadiq Kahn is the man to support there in May 2016.

by Redflag Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:22 am

I do hope that those electing the London Mayor will vote for Sadiq Khan, they would be voting for a good man not a Tory BUFFOON because if they vote for Zac Goldsmith soon as he wins the vote there will be a third runway at Heathrow.

by **Ivan** Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:22 pm

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by boatlady Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:44 pm

Nice timing

by Redflag Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:57 am

Thank you Ivan we need the same thing here in Scotland to wake up the Scots to what the SNP are doing to the people in my view you cannot get a fag paper between the Tories & SNP.

If anybody can remember just before the 2015 May G.E the leak that came out by the Lib-Dem Alister Carmichael, I think there was a lot more truth in that leak, I tend to think that there is a plan between Davy boy & Sturgeon she gets Scotland and he gets a permanant Tory gov't in the rest of the UK.

by **Ivan** Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:37 pm

Redflag. I can’t agree with any of that! Shocked

Although nationalist parties tend to be right-wing, the SNP describes itself as “a left of centre, social democratic and progressive party”, which is not something that right-wing parties ever do. For the general election in May this year, the SNP manifesto said that the party would back the end of austerity and Labour’s plans to reintroduce the 50p top rate of income tax, a tax on bankers’ bonuses, a bank levy, a mansion tax, a crackdown on tax avoidance and the abolition of non-dom status. Nothing ‘Tory’ there.

There is no proof that Nicola Sturgeon said she wanted Cameron to stay in Downing Street. Alistair Carmichael’s leaked memorandum, which is thought to have come from the Foreign Office, claimed to be an account of a meeting on 26 February involving France’s consul general in Edinburgh, Pierre-Alain Coffinier. But Coffinier has said: “I have looked at my notes and absolutely no preference has been expressed by anyone regarding the outcome of the election, which suggests neither Nicola nor my ambassador said anything”. He has no reason to lie.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/03/nicola-sturgeon-denies-saying-she-wanted-david-cameron-to-win-election

I know Cameron’s announcement of his plans for English Votes for English Laws on the day after the independence referendum was extremely provocative, but I seriously doubt if he wants to go down in history as the Tory PM who lost Scotland.

by oftenwrong Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:16 pm

It's been a busy political fifteen months, but we can still remember how the actual Scottish Referendum divided the population north of the border pretty much evenly. There is an equal expectation about a Europe In/Out referendum if and when it happens.

(Either way we can expect the Pollsters to get it wrong yet again.)

by Redflag Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:34 pm

Ivan wrote:Although nationalist parties tend to be right-wing, the SNP describes itself as “a left of centre, social democratic and progressive party”, which is not something that right-wing parties ever do. For the general election in May this year, the SNP manifesto said that the party would back the end of austerity and Labour’s plans to reintroduce the 50p top rate of income tax, a tax on bankers’ bonuses, a bank levy, a mansion tax, a crackdown on tax avoidance and the abolition of non-dom status. Nothing ‘Tory’ there.

What the SNP say and what they DO are two seperate things Ivan, as you know they stole Labour policies from there May 2015 Manifesto, but have not implemented them yet & at the moment our Education and NHS is in trouble and our local councils are having there budgets cut to ribbons but only the Labour councils (does this ring any bells).

I have a theory that Sturgeon & Cameron plotted against the UK to carve it up between them, Surgeon gets all of Scotland while Cameron gets Northern Ireland Wales & England for good, if you remember the leaked document in which Alaister Carmichael claimed that Sturgeon had said that she would prefer if Cameron won the 2015 G.E, I say there is no smoke without a fire.

by **Ivan** Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:07 pm

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by boatlady Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:39 pm

Seems to be the default position for politics in GB - I've never understood why

by Redflag Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:29 am

Boatlady the same people derided Tony Blair for sidling up to Murdoch during his time in office, but do not let us forget Murdoch he soon changed his tune from a Red Top to a Blue top.

by **Ivan** Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:25 am

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by **Ivan** Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:46 pm

Here's the real New Year message from the Tories, courtesy of Martin Shovel:-

Is there any alternative to the jaundiced Tory attitudes? - Page 16 Tory_n10

Is there any alternative to the jaundiced Tory attitudes? - Page 16 Tory_n10

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by **Phil Hornby** Fri Jan 01, 2016 2:44 pm

All fairly consistent with that from PPCC Smile

by **Ivan** Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:38 am

12 January 2016:-

- For the first time in the history of Parliament, Scottish and Northern Ireland MPs were banned from voting on a piece of legislation (the housing bill).

- Labour's amendment to the housing bill, requiring landlords to ensure private housing is fit for human habitation, was defeated by the Tories. Evil or Very Mad

by Redflag Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:01 am

I have siaid this before on the forum and I will say it again there is only one way to stop this Tory gov't and that is General Strike, I know some on this forum do not agree but it is the only way left to make Davy boy and his OINKS listen to the people of the UK take a good look at what is happening to our NHS doctors that is where we will all end up more hours less money for all

by bobby Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:33 pm

"more hours less money for all"
That of course will be for those who remain in the UK, as many I'm certain will bugger off to pastures new.
After we have gone through a period of Dr shortage and thousands of unnecessary deaths, any new medical staff will be taken on under the terms of the new contract.
The Tory bastards win again to the cost of every one else.

by Redflag Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:18 am

You could be right bobby, what do you think would happen if the Jnr doctors did a "MASS RESIGNATIONS" to the |(C)hunt I think it could put the wind up him and Davy boy, then they would have the public on there backs but mostly there voters with the help of the Unions I think we could force them to think again.

by **Ivan** Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:34 pm

This government has stopped Scottish and Irish MPs from voting on certain issues, but it's quite happy for over 70 Tory landlords to vote in their own self-interest against making their properties fit for human habitation. The full list of them can be found in this article:-

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2016/01/housing-bill-73-mps-who-voted-down-fit-for-human-habitation-clause-are-landlords/

by bobby Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:41 am

redflag said
"what do you think would happen if the Jnr doctors did a "MASS RESIGNATIONS"

I really don't think that is the answer Red, all we would end up with is a shed load of unemployed Junior Doctors. The Health Service would be in shambles and Herr Cameron would have to step in pretty lively to save the sick NHS, the only way he could do that is by full scale privatisation. Who would then be working for these private Hospitals and Clinics, none other than many of the Junior Doctors who resigned from the NHS. The only winner would be the Tories.

by **Ivan** Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:04 pm

More rank hypocrisy from the party of ‘aspiration’ – the Tories have abolished university grants for the country’s poorest students. They didn’t even debate it in Parliament, but instead used an obscure Commons committee to make the cut. Needless to say, there was no mention of it in the Tory manifesto for last May's general election.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-bypass-mps-sneak-through-7178418

by Redflag Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:14 am

bobby wrote:I really don't think that is the answer Red, all we would end up with is a shed load of unemployed Junior Doctors. The Health Service would be in shambles and Herr Cameron would have to step in pretty lively to save the sick NHS, the only way he could do that is by full scale privatisation. Who would then be working for these private Hospitals and Clinics, none other than many of the Junior Doctors who resigned from the NHS. The only winner would be the Tories.

Bobby what in hells name do you think Davy boy & (C)hunt are doing at the moment to the NHS, the reason for the Jnr doctors went on strike was because hunt is going to force a contract on the doctors where they work more hours for less money than they are getting at the moment this is something the private health sector would approve of.

Some Jnr doctors have already left the NH for Austrialia were Jnr doctors get three times more than the UK pay our doctors also New Zealand at least 1500 of our NHS doctors and that is not including any consultants.

by oftenwrong Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:43 am

The private provision of medical health is well established in Britain. There are many modern new private hospitals adjacent to the NHS facility, and of course they share many of the same staff - all of which will have been trained and qualified by the NHS, which is to say at Public expense.

The Law of Unintended Consequences is going to apply if those people take their skills to foreign countries.

by bobby Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:45 pm

Redflag said: "Bobby what in hells name do you think Davy boy & (C)hunt are doing at the moment to the NHS"

I know exactly what these two rattlesnakes are doing, but I see mass resignations by the Junior Doctors as an act of suicide for the NHS.
Working to rule i.e. not doing overtime, adhering to health and safety rules no matter how petty, if they happen to work late because they are in the middle of dealing with a Patient, take time off in lieu as opposed to overtime payment. The NHS as many other organisations rely on the good will of their employees to go the extra yard, if that practice stopped it would put massive pressure on the Hospitals plus the Junior Doctors would still be earning a wage and would be able to stay with the NHS.

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