Latest polls

Latest YouGov results are apparently:

Con 30%
Lab 42%
LDem 6%
UKIP 10%

So the drop in Labour's lead to single-digits in a different poll earlier this week was a 'blip', seemingly - the change was within the margin of error and not significant.

These figures cannot be right. Who on earth could possibly be mad enough to contemplate supporting the LibDems? After all, what do they imagine they would be voting for? Until the election was complete, and a majority party was known, Clegg and his shifty and shabby bunch of opportunists would have no idea what they actually 'believed' in...

Phil Hornby wrote:These figures cannot be right. Who on earth could possibly be mad enough to contemplate supporting the LibDems? After all, what do they imagine they would be voting for? Until the election was complete, and a majority party was known, Clegg and his shifty and shabby bunch of opportunists would have no idea what they actually 'believed' in...

If commonsense and logic were any guide, it's the Tories' 30% that needs questioning first!

I fully understand the Tories' 30%. It comprises a percentage representing those who are benefiting from the cruel imposition on those who are less well-off ,and is supplemented by those who aspire to considering themselves better than others and who like to attach to themselves a label which they think impresses those they admire in what they perceive as the 'higher tier' of society ( in other words, the 'fur cost and no knickers' brigade )...

Phil Hornby wrote:I fully understand the Tories' 30%. It comprises a percentage representing those who are benefiting from the cruel imposition on those who are less well-off ,and is supplemented by those who aspire to considering themselves better than others and who like to attach to themselves a label which they think impresses those they admire in what they perceive as the 'higher tier' of society ( in other words, the 'fur cost and no knickers' brigade )...

Fair point!

How about the working class people that have been let down over the last 15 years?

Any 'working class' person who may have felt let down by a Labour Government should not imagine that their salvation can ever lie with the Conservatives. Such an approach would be akin to somebody nipped by a dog seeking to improve their condition by jumping into a swimming pool infested with sharks...

Phil Hornby wrote:Any 'working class' person who may have felt let down by a Labour Government should not imagine that their salvation can ever lie with the Conservatives. Such an approach would be akin to somebody nipped by a dog seeking to improve their condition by jumping into a swimming pool infested with sharks...

Smug sharks, who'll tell you 'it's all for your own good', 'it's only fair' and 'we're all in it together' while they dismember you..

Smug sharks, who'll tell you 'it's all for your own good', 'it's only fair' and 'we're all in it together' while they dismember you...

Sounds fair to me unless the Labour party want to pay for the deficit they left us to deal with...Hands in your pockets now boys, thanks

That'll be the deficit which Cameron told us he'd have sorted in a single Tory administration, I assume? And which if it hadn't been accumulated would have entailed the banks collapsing?

The Tory view of life is an interesting one and so compelling that I imagine the public will be only too willing to give them a second term - only this time they will present Cameron with a real majority, so he needn't be bothered with those irritating - but ,currently, strangely essential - LibDems...

tlttf wrote:How about the working class people that have been let down over the last 15 years?

NOT FORGETTING THE 18 YEARS OF THE THATCHER GOV'T, she done away with ship building steel works and every other trade in favour of the Bloody bankers and look how that turned out, in future when you rubbish the Labour party for making mistakes take a good hard look at the mistakes of the Tory party before you post.

in future when you rubbish the Labour party for making mistakes take a good hard look at the mistakes of the Tory party before you post..

And Vice Versa.....

Our children's children may be surprised at the way this generation saw an opportunity in 2008 to halt the Capitalist System in its tracks.

But didn't seize it.

Wait until May when the cuts start kicking in - then watch the tories plummet in the polls.

blueturando wrote:

in future when you rubbish the Labour party for making mistakes take a good hard look at the mistakes of the Tory party before you post..

And Vice Versa.....

Thats the problem blue its not vice versa when it come to the tory party its only the Labour party that is allowed to be slagged off, soon as someone on this forum starts to pick up on the mistakes of the tory party its "Cast-Up-Time". The Tory party have got us into more debt than Labour did in the 13 years in office only thing is they have done it in two& half years.

OW - what happened in 2008? - sorry to be so ignorant

boatlady wrote:OW - what happened in 2008? - sorry to be so ignorant

Boatlady that is when the Banks took your savings and everybody else' and decided to gamble it on the Financial Markets and LOST The Lot so that the Labour party who where in power had to go and Borrow a whole load of money to bail them out, the banks involved were RBS, HBOS, LLoyds & TSB, Bradford & Bingley , and Northern Rock who had previously been building societies. The Tories have sold off Northern Rock to Richard Branson and it is now Virgin Money.

That is not the end of it if you hear the Tories talk about the mess the Labour party left and how they maxed out the UK credit card that is what they are talking about, they never mention that Gordon Brown saved the Tory parties ~DONORS. I hope this helps you boatlady if not if you ask Ivan he will put it better than me.

Thanks to both Red and OW - I really wasn't paying all that much attention at the time, for various reasons, and every now and then some piece of recent history just seems to have passed me by.
Now you have explained it, I do remember the incidents - just hadn't remembered exactly the year.
It was probably what led to the fiasco of the last general election really, wasn't it?

boatlady wrote:Thanks to both Red and OW - I really wasn't paying all that much attention at the time, for various reasons, and every now and then some piece of recent history just seems to have passed me by.
Now you have explained it, I do remember the incidents - just hadn't remembered exactly the year.
It was probably what led to the fiasco of the last general election really, wasn't it?

Yes that is what caused the Labour party to lose the 2010 election with a little help from the Tory party and L/Ds some blatant Lies and a load of SPIN.

YouGov has conducted the first complete poll since Cameron’s referendum announcement:-
LAB 43%, CON 33%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 9%

Anthony Wells of YouGov remarked that there has been no obvious impact on voting intention. He said: “While Europe is not an issue that particularly excites voters (even UKIP voters are actually driven more by things like immigration and the economy), I thought a temporary boost from Cameron looking on top of things and the exceptionally good press coverage of the last few days was likely.”

YouGov and Populus have this week asked people for their voting intention in an EU referendum. The YouGov poll revealed 40% for leaving and 38% for staying in. The Populus poll suggested 40% for leaving and 37% for staying in.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

You watch the Polls rising just after the bedroom tax and the cuts to housing benefit kick in Ivan, then in October if IDS has the Universal credits up and running and peoples money get cut a bit more the people may even lynch him and Osborne.

Only slightly amazed that nobody is gloating over the latest polls. It seems the labour lead as dropped to a mere 5%.

Has plastic mili dropped a booboo over the question of Europe and do the public care more for the issue than mp's appreciated?

As Anthony Wells of YouGov said, a temporary boost for Cameron was expected after his cynical announcement of a referendum some time in the future. He also received a boost when he walked out of an EU summit in December 2011, but it didn't last long.

6% of people consider the EU to be an important issue. Most are more worried about their jobs, paying their mortgages and feeding and clothing their children. In the most recent polls, there is only a small lead for the Europhobes, it really isn't the big deal which Murdoch and the Tory tabloids try to make it out to be.

In my opinion, Ed Miliband is handling this issue correctly. He has given a clear statement - that the promise of a referendum in several years from now is bad for the UK, since it causes so much uncertainty for any potential investors. On the other hand, Cameron's only concern is saving his own skin, and yet despite his track record as a serial liar, he expects people to trust him again.

tlttf wrote:Only slightly amazed that nobody is gloating over the latest polls. It seems the labour lead as dropped to a mere 5%.

Has plastic mili dropped a booboo over the question of Europe and do the public care more for the issue than mp's appreciated?

I will repeat what Ivan has told you on several occasions make sure when you put up facts and figures "MAKE SURE THEY ARE CORRECT" so to educate you on the correct figures Labour 39% Tory Backstuds 33% the ones that have lost in this is the second Tories Ukip.

Presumably Cameron hopes that his (latest) promise of a referendum on the EU should sideline that particular debate and also neutralise the UKIP tendency.

Actually, some of his loyal MPs are already trying to select an Obama-tinted candidate to lead the Tory Party, according to speculation in today's Sunday Times. What larks!

Seen that report OW, its history repeating itself remember Thatcher her ministers stabbed her in the back and if they want to stab Cameron who am I to stop them LOL.

Redflag wrote:Seen that report OW, its history repeating itself remember Thatcher her ministers stabbed her in the back and if they want to stab Cameron who am I to stop them LOL.

Actually, between now and 2015, while Cameron does not have my support as PM, he has my absolute support as leader of the Conservative party! He, Osborne, Gove and IDS are the best weapons in Labour's arsenal - with the various Tory 'mavericks' and 'rising stars' running close but not having the same profile. A new Tory leader might get an unmerited 'honeymoon period', and that will definitely be bad for the country.

For so long as the economy continues to "flatline", the Tories' chances of forming the next Government recede into infinity.

oftenwrong wrote:For so long as the economy continues to "flatline", the Tories' chances of forming the next Government recede into infinity.

I agree OW and with Osborne still being in post there is not a hope in hell the economy will grow, but skywalker has got a point and with all the Lies that the Tories have told the public about the Labour party the Mess Labour left etc the public could give the new Tory leader the benefit of the doubt which would mean a ruling Tory party in 2015.

The latest polls, whether it shows the Tories gaining ground on Labour or not are pretty meaningless as there is 2 years to the next GE and the ratings will change a thousand times between now and then.
The only poll that matters will be the next GE, where Liebour will eventually have to present some policies to the people and this is where they will be found wanting and come up short. We will therefore see a Tory overall majority and Daivid Cameron as PM for a another term. Milliband will be consigned to the political halls of history

I suspect the odds of an outright Tory majority are somewhere on the same scale as those of us being hit by a large asteroid tomorrow.

The concern - for those of us with a left perspective - is the risk of another hung Parliament. I for one would find the idea of co-operating with the LDs unpalatable at the moment.

Cameron would have to get more people to vote Tory than did in 2010. Come to think of it, the asteroid odds are a much better bet.

If the Scottish Independence movement gathers significant pace between now and the next General Election it's not easy to forecast precisely what "Britain" (or "UK") David Cameron may purport to be offering a referendum on withdrawal from the EU.

blueturando wrote:-
there are 2 years to the next GE and the ratings will change a thousand times between now and then.

I doubt it. The polls have shown a Labour lead for the past year and a massive decline in Lib Dem support for even longer.

The YouGov polls for 30 and 31 January are identical:-
LAB 42%, CON 33%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 7%.

As some of us anticipated, the EU is not high on most people’s priorities and Cameron received only a small poll bounce for offering a referendum at some point in the distant future. If the current poll figures were the result of a general election, Labour would have a parliamentary majority of 92 over all other parties combined.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

I guess its a done deal then Ivan

blueturando wrote:I guess its a done deal then Ivan

Come April it will be a done deal blue.

[quote="Ivan"]

I doubt it. The polls have shown a Labour lead for the past year and a massive decline in Lib Dem support for even longer.

The YouGov polls for 30 and 31 January are identical:-
LAB 42%, CON 33%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 7%.

As some of us anticipated, the EU is not high on most people’s priorities and Cameron received only a small poll bounce for offering a referendum at some point in the distant future. If the current poll figures were the result of a general election, Labour would have a parliamentary majority of 92 over all other parties combined.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

If I'm remembering correctly, UKIP's number is down - which means Cameron has clawed a bit of fickle support back among those whose bugbear is the EU and who are blind or indifferent to the far greater scandals being perpetrated.

[quote="skwalker1964"]

Ivan wrote:

I doubt it. The polls have shown a Labour lead for the past year and a massive decline in Lib Dem support for even longer.

The YouGov polls for 30 and 31 January are identical:-
LAB 42%, CON 33%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 7%.

As some of us anticipated, the EU is not high on most people’s priorities and Cameron received only a small poll bounce for offering a referendum at some point in the distant future. If the current poll figures were the result of a general election, Labour would have a parliamentary majority of 92 over all other parties combined.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

If I'm remembering correctly, UKIP's number is down - which means Cameron has clawed a bit of fickle support back among those whose bugbear is the EU and who are blind or indifferent to the far greater scandals being perpetrated.

I agree skywalker but differ on the fact that people come April people right across the UK will unite against these Posh Boys.

And when nothing happens in April, what are you going to say Redflag?

The 'bounce' didn't last long. Latest YouGov:

CON 32%, LAB 44%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 8%