Should Cabinet exit controls be relaxed so that Theresa May can be kicked out?

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If the government really want people to inform them of known illegal immigrants, shouldn't they pay a bounty of say £10,000 per dozen grassed. Not only would it possibly lower the cost of public services, it would also create a boom in jobs. Just think of the growth possibilities for public sector workers to start their own business>

So my concern is how to challenge these attitudes, when they appear, in a way that doesn't polarise or seem adversarial or overbearing. "That's just a load of lefty nonsense" etc.


I'm sort of feeling England needs it's fascist moment (not sure why) - all I think we can do is just be relentlessly citing evidence and helping people reality check their media inspired prejudices - anything more aggressive and - you're right - one just gets accused of being a 'loony lefty'  - without shifting anyone's opinion.

We're quite lucky still in England - if we keep on being kind and thoughtful about each other we can up to now prevent too much harm coming to the victims of the government's nasty measures - we can look out for our neighbours, befriend those who are getting the bad press, invite people round for dinner when we've got a bit extra, even protest peacefully on occasion - all ways of challenging prejudice.
I'm a great believer - every time you treat a stranger with care and respect, you create a bit more tolerance and understanding in the world.

Do you respect that of truth in everyone though it may be expressed in unfamiliar ways or be difficult to discern? Each of us has a particular experience of truth and each must find the way to be true to it. When words are strange or disturbing to you, try to sense where they come from and what has nourished the lives of others. Listen patiently and seek the truth which other people's opinions may contain for you. Avoid hurtful criticism and provocative language. Do not allow the strength of your convictions to betray you into making statements or allegations that are unfair or untrue. Think it possible that you may be mistaken.  
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I fear there may be a current disconnect between the generations.
Young people feel they have little to gain from maintaining established traditions.

That sounds quite true actually OW, the generations are certainly changing these days and are not following traditions are they?

Not sure we can describe basic decency and respect for each other as a 'tradition'

I am with boatlady on this one decency and respect are a matter of good manners.

She really is a disgrace - can't believe she's in the running for leader of the Tories

Blimey boatlady, "you cannot be serious", I really did not know that she was, do us all a favour and let her get the job.

I understand she is one of three or four being talked about as possible replacements for David Cameron - the others being Osborne, Boris Johnson and the little education person now demoted to Tory chief whip or something - I may be out of date with this

Well she will not get the job now will she boatlady? she is being brought before the commons select committee is it?

" She really is a disgrace - can't believe she's in the running for leader of the Tories "

I would have thought such a qualification was a prerequisite for appointment to the illustrious position...

They may make her stand down Phil, pardon the pun, now that things are out in the open about the torture ETC, she will not win her seat at the elections.

Boris Johnson is the best qualified person to be the next Tory leader – pathological liar, serial adulterer, looter and racist who ratchets up bus fares for the poor but vigorously defends bankers and their bonuses.  

Theresa May has been the epitome of incompetence during her time as home secretary, but I don’t think any dyed-in-the-wool Tory supporters will care whether or not she supports 'enhanced interrogation techniques' (which is the modern, sanitised name for torture). As her share of the vote in Maidenhead in 2010 was 59%, with the Lib Dems on 28% and Labour on 7%, I’m quite sure that if she was caught roasting babies for her Sunday lunch, most of her constituents wouldn’t be fazed. She's a Tory and that's all that matters to them.

There have been suggestions that UK intelligence asked for references to what the UK knew about the torture to be removed from the Senate report - on the grounds of 'national security', of course. I feel sure that if Tony Blair, Jack Straw or David Miliband could be implicated, the Tories would ensure that it became public news and would delight in shouting another round of “it’s all Labour’s fault” from the rooftops. I suspect that William Hague might have questions to answer over what happened during his tenure of the foreign office; if this is yet another Tory cover-up, that could be the reason.

Well Ivan.
There Boris does seem to have all the right qualifications for the job does he not.
You are right about Maidenhead, put a hyena up as tory candidate and it would still get a clear majority would it not?

Reward for pushing in increased to 5 pence, queue being held back out of sight.

Any one of the Tories taking over the leadership of the party would be a disaster because none of them  has two brain cells to rub together to cause a spark Stuart

Should Cabinet exit controls be relaxed so that Theresa May can be kicked out?

Bit late now

There have been at least two previous occasions on which a Tory Party Leader has called a snap General Election to discipline mutineers in the Cabinet.

Ted Heath's bluff was called, but John Major out-fronted "The Bastards" as he called them.

There is every likelihood that the latest Iron Lady would act similarly.

Hopefully not before there is a revived Labour Party capable of opposing more than a stiff breeze.

I don't think THIS lady is for turning either. She will stand no nonsense.

If you bother to read this thread from the beginning, you will see that Theresa May has shown herself to be incompetent on more than one occasion, and a stronger PM than Cameron would have kicked her into touch long ago. She was very good at letting others take the blame for her own failings, as Brodie Clark can confirm. She was even deceitful enough to peddle a lie at a Tory conference that an immigrant had been allowed to stay here because he owned a pet cat. Like most Tory MPs, she is totally unfit to be PM.

Yvette Cooper writes:-

“May believes in justice, but not in social justice; in individual enterprise, but not in uniting communities. Rightly, her Modern Slavery Act promised a crackdown on people smugglers. Wrongly, it left out protection for domestic workers from slavery. Rightly, she criticised poor standards in policing. Wrongly, she destroyed the neighbourhood policing that builds community cohesion and prevents crime. Rightly, she talks about entrepreneurship and getting on in life. Wrongly, she never challenges the deep inequalities and poverty that hold people back.

For six years she has been at the heart of a Tory government that has cut taxes for the richest and cut tax credits for the poorest. So when she suddenly claims she wants people to understand how hard it is for working-class families, she should admit that her government has made it much worse.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/07/theresa-may-britain-tory-candidate

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Ivan wrote:
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Ivan wrote:If you bother to read this thread from the beginning, you will see that Theresa May has shown herself to be incompetent on more than one occasion, and a stronger PM than Cameron would have kicked her into touch long ago. She was very good at letting others take the blame for her own failings, as Brodie Clark can confirm. She was even deceitful enough to peddle a lie at a Tory conference that an immigrant had been allowed to stay here because he owned a pet cat. Like most Tory MPs, she is totally unfit to be PM.

Well from what I read on this forum every MP is unfit for office - except for labour MP's, of course.

Should have gone to ....