What future will the Lib Dems have by 2015?

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The Lib-Dems will not let Nick Clegg lead them into the next general election because Clegg will definitely be a liability.

The Lib-Dems won't have their leadership challenge too near the general election because this will be seen as a vote grabber.

The Lib-Dems must have their leadership challenge ages before the next general election to be seen as a genuine change of leadership.

So, when do you think their leadership challenge will be ?

Democracy can make uneasy bedfellows of the most unlikely "allies".

The difference between Government and Opposition is enormous. One side makes all the decisions while the other side can only watch until such time as it may become their turn to grasp the levers of Power.

Political custom ensures that grandmothers will be sold into slavery and every last manifesto promise abandoned if that's what it takes to maintain a grip on said levers.

blueturando wrote:

A five-year coalition under the peacetime British political system is nothing more than a hi-jacking by minorities prior to looting the country... not to mention an admission that the parties involved are scared of what another election would bring to thwart their cosy collusion... .

Phil you and I both know that in the event of another hung parliament in 2015, both Cameron and Miliband will do everything they can to get the likes of the Lib Dems or UKIP (if they get seats) on side to stop the other forming the next government......Priniples go out of the window all round

Is that true? The Lib Dems backed down on nearly everything to pair up with the Tories, which says enough about them for me to not want to ever vote them in, while the Tories and Labour held fairly firm on their policies (Labour especially, I think).

All the signs are that Labour needs only to avoid doing anything really stupid, in order to emjoy a shoo-in at the next Election.

The Tories will be relying upon their excellent record in Government since 2010.

oftenwrong wrote:All the signs are that Labour needs only to avoid doing anything really stupid, in order to emjoy a shoo-in at the next Election.

The Tories will be relying upon their excellent record in Government since 2010.

Either your joking or this idiotic gov't is blown whatever brain cells they HAD, if this is an excellent record I would hate to see a really rotten one but they do not have a hope in hell of getting into power again in 2015, and Nick Clegg and the L/Ds can wave goodbye to there party in 2015.

blueturando wrote:

Bluey, Do you believe in privatisation and charities taking over the role of what a lot of people believe the State should provide, like the NHS, and Community Care ?.

This is a different question all together and one that cannot be answered with Yes/No....

Yes I want a publicly funded NHS and Community care, but I fear for the future as the costs go spirraling out of control. Without reform the whole system is doomed, but I do not want the reform this coalition is trying to push through...it''s too narrow and short sighted to work in the long term....A sticking plaster if you like

We either have public, or private, I dont believe costs come into things at all. Both the media and politicians have been pushing the alarm bell of costings until its comig out of our ears.

I look at it this way, the Health of our nation depends on the core values and principles of the NHS for example.

If we can send £9.1 billion per year plus on foreign aid, expense is not an option when it comes to fully funding our vital public services.

Good to see you here again Ivanhoe.

Mel wrote:Good to see you here again Ivanhoe.

Thanks Mel, nice of you to say so.

blueturando wrote:

Bluey, Do you believe in privatisation and charities taking over the role of what a lot of people believe the State should provide, like the NHS, and Community Care ?.

This is a different question all together and one that cannot be answered with Yes/No....

Yes I want a publicly funded NHS and Community care, but I fear for the future as the costs go spirraling out of control. Without reform the whole system is doomed, but I do not want the reform this coalition is trying to push through...it''s too narrow and short sighted to work in the long term....A sticking plaster if you like

Bluey, did you know that privatisation of the railways in 1992 by Tory Prime Minister, John Major, costs £400 billion a year to subside shareholders profits and bosses salaries ect.

Yet our nationalised railways prior to the 1990's cost £100 billion a year ?

What do you say to that ?

Profit comes first in the Tory mind, service is secondary Ivanhoe. I'm surprised they haven't privatised the air we breath.

Mel wrote:Profit comes first in the Tory mind, service is secondary Ivanhoe. I'm surprised they haven't privatised the air we breath.

I know Mel. I am surprised also.

Mel wrote:Profit comes first in the Tory mind, service is secondary Ivanhoe. I'm surprised they haven't privatised the air we breath.

Its funny you should say that Mel, when the Maggot was in power I was waiting for her to put meters on our backs and charge us for the air we breathed.

Ivan wrote:Could you find anyone more unprincipled than Nick Clegg? Having helped the most right-wing government in history to dismantle the NHS, privatise everything in sight and give tax breaks to millionaires, he now wants to work with Labour after 2015, presumably to help reverse as many of those measures as possible!

I agree Ivan with you. but Labour should tell him to go too hell this time

Mel wrote:Profit comes first in the Tory mind, service is secondary Ivanhoe. I'm surprised they haven't privatised the air we breath.

Give them Time Mel and they will try to privatise the air. Hell they had a go at sell the trees remember

Redflag wrote:

Mel wrote:Profit comes first in the Tory mind, service is secondary Ivanhoe. I'm surprised they haven't privatised the air we breath.

Its funny you should say that Mel, when the Maggot was in power I was waiting for her to put meters on our backs and charge us for the air we breathed.

Maggot would of sold the whole UK if should could of Red.

Phil Hornby wrote:In the name of common decency, we must hope that the Labour Party will not prove to be so desperate as to do what Cameron did in his lust for power.

There is little doubt that Clegg would do anything to hold onto his job, but unless it was a very short-term measure to ensure stable government prior to another General Election being called, it would be less than edifying to see a Labour leader stooping so low as a Tory PM would so willingly do.

A five-year coalition under the peacetime British political system is nothing more than a hi-jacking by minorities prior to looting the country... not to mention an admission that the parties involved are scared of what another election would bring to thwart their cosy collusion...

Phil I think he will be lucky to even hold his own seat

Clegg will be assured of a safe job in Brussels.

oftenwrong wrote:Clegg will be assured of a safe job in Brussels.

Your more than likely right OW, but I would like to see clegg have nothing at all along the political lines that would make my day.

I still feel (as I have since the condems formed) That the lib-dems will implode and split into 2 maybe 3 factions or even official parties (depending on whether the orange bookers are absorbed directly into the tories).

The Lib-Dems have no significance beyond a potential ability to annoy right-wing Tories for a bit longer.

Their Party will be invisible after the next General Election, whenever that may be.

oftenwrong wrote:The Lib-Dems have no significance beyond a potential ability to annoy right-wing Tories for a bit longer.

Their Party will be invisible after the next General Election, whenever that may be.

I think not Baby Puppy.....

Tweedlecam will just about last to 2015 and then BoJo will sweep in, just before the election. The vote will then be split between the two main parties and the LibDems (who still retain a strong grassroots support) will gain more seats on the back of a 'split' vote.

What is harder to predict is whether Ed Millibean survive till then or succumb to the cabal of Blarites at his back. :albino:

How droll, bunnyrunner. You are a tease!

Who do you think is going to vote for the Quisling Lib-Dems once Cameron's lot have cast them aside like a used condom?

As they undoubtedly will, and tweedlecam ain't gonna wait for 2015 to come around, because he knows the Yellows have no alternative but to put up with his Tory sh1t.

KnarkyBadger wrote:I still feel (as I have since the condems formed) That the lib-dems will implode and split into 2 maybe 3 factions or even official parties (depending on whether the orange bookers are absorbed directly into the tories).

Hi KnarkyBadger
I can see this coming about, not that there will be many left in the House of Commons. what's more there grass roots party has been bleeding members for the last two years and its showing within there seats. The Tories to could well spilt in two as yet with a anti EU grouping taking over from UKIP. all of this is quite possible with how things are going within these two parties. I would say it could still go anyway right now. but what ever happen it will take place without Clegg as he will lose his seat I am sure off.

Stox 16 wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:I still feel (as I have since the condems formed) That the lib-dems will implode and split into 2 maybe 3 factions or even official parties (depending on whether the orange bookers are absorbed directly into the tories).

Hi KnarkyBadger
I can see this coming about, not that there will be many left in the House of Commons. what's more there grass roots party has been bleeding members for the last two years and its showing within there seats. The Tories to could well spilt in two as yet with a anti EU grouping taking over from UKIP. all of this is quite possible with how things are going within these two parties. I would say it could still go anyway right now. but what ever happen it will take place without Clegg as he will lose his seat I am sure off.

Clegg will be straight off up to the Lords!

KnarkyBadger wrote:

Stox 16 wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:I still feel (as I have since the condems formed) That the lib-dems will implode and split into 2 maybe 3 factions or even official parties (depending on whether the orange bookers are absorbed directly into the tories).

Hi KnarkyBadger
I can see this coming about, not that there will be many left in the House of Commons. what's more there grass roots party has been bleeding members for the last two years and its showing within there seats. The Tories to could well spilt in two as yet with a anti EU grouping taking over from UKIP. all of this is quite possible with how things are going within these two parties. I would say it could still go anyway right now. but what ever happen it will take place without Clegg as he will lose his seat I am sure off.

Clegg will be straight off up to the Lords!

well it is known as the dead centre of UK politics. ha ha so should fit in quite well.

KnarkyBadger wrote:

Stox 16 wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:I still feel (as I have since the condems formed) That the lib-dems will implode and split into 2 maybe 3 factions or even official parties (depending on whether the orange bookers are absorbed directly into the tories).

Hi KnarkyBadger
I can see this coming about, not that there will be many left in the House of Commons. what's more there grass roots party has been bleeding members for the last two years and its showing within there seats. The Tories to could well spilt in two as yet with a anti EU grouping taking over from UKIP. all of this is quite possible with how things are going within these two parties. I would say it could still go anyway right now. but what ever happen it will take place without Clegg as he will lose his seat I am sure off.

Clegg will be straight off up to the Lords!

Only if he gets his Lords reform Bill through, then he would be lucky to get anybody to vote him into the Lords ha ha ha Hell mend him for what he has done to his party because at the next GE they will be EXTINCT.

Redflag wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:

Stox 16 wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:I still feel (as I have since the condems formed) That the lib-dems will implode and split into 2 maybe 3 factions or even official parties (depending on whether the orange bookers are absorbed directly into the tories).

Hi KnarkyBadger
I can see this coming about, not that there will be many left in the House of Commons. what's more there grass roots party has been bleeding members for the last two years and its showing within there seats. The Tories to could well spilt in two as yet with a anti EU grouping taking over from UKIP. all of this is quite possible with how things are going within these two parties. I would say it could still go anyway right now. but what ever happen it will take place without Clegg as he will lose his seat I am sure off.

Clegg will be straight off up to the Lords!

Only if he gets his Lords reform Bill through, then he would be lucky to get anybody to vote him into the Lords ha ha ha Hell mend him for what he has done to his party because at the next GE they will be EXTINCT.

Hi Red
For however much I find the Tory party leadership interesting this is nothing to how interesting I find the Lib/Dem. As last week I was playing Chess in a cup game and drew a Lib/dem Chairmen from North Norfolk. Oh boy was he depressed when we was talking to him. he said, '' The Coalition with the Tory party was the biggest miscalculation of any Lib/Dem leader he could remember within his life time'' I could not agree more with him Red. He believes that his whole party hangs on the state of the UK economy come the 2015 GE. Well I pointed out to him that all the figures I have seen show me that his hopes will be dashed.

Clegg his a party that will now not find it easy to fight come 2015. if Clegg makes the Lords then even more Lib/Dem's will up sticks and leave the party. as they will be left with no real party after this.

Redflag wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:

Stox 16 wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:I still feel (as I have since the condems formed) That the lib-dems will implode and split into 2 maybe 3 factions or even official parties (depending on whether the orange bookers are absorbed directly into the tories).

Hi KnarkyBadger
I can see this coming about, not that there will be many left in the House of Commons. what's more there grass roots party has been bleeding members for the last two years and its showing within there seats. The Tories to could well spilt in two as yet with a anti EU grouping taking over from UKIP. all of this is quite possible with how things are going within these two parties. I would say it could still go anyway right now. but what ever happen it will take place without Clegg as he will lose his seat I am sure off.

Clegg will be straight off up to the Lords!

Only if he gets his Lords reform Bill through, then he would be lucky to get anybody to vote him into the Lords ha ha ha Hell mend him for what he has done to his party because at the next GE they will be EXTINCT.

me... I would put him in Jail for crimes against the poor and sick along with Cameron and Gideon.

Stox 16 wrote:

Redflag wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:

Stox 16 wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:I still feel (as I have since the condems formed) That the lib-dems will implode and split into 2 maybe 3 factions or even official parties (depending on whether the orange bookers are absorbed directly into the tories).

Hi KnarkyBadger
I can see this coming about, not that there will be many left in the House of Commons. what's more there grass roots party has been bleeding members for the last two years and its showing within there seats. The Tories to could well spilt in two as yet with a anti EU grouping taking over from UKIP. all of this is quite possible with how things are going within these two parties. I would say it could still go anyway right now. but what ever happen it will take place without Clegg as he will lose his seat I am sure off.

Clegg will be straight off up to the Lords!

Only if he gets his Lords reform Bill through, then he would be lucky to get anybody to vote him into the Lords ha ha ha Hell mend him for what he has done to his party because at the next GE they will be EXTINCT.

Hi Red
For however much I find the Tory party leadership interesting this is nothing to how interesting I find the Lib/Dem. As last week I was playing Chess in a cup game and drew a Lib/dem Chairmen from North Norfolk. Oh boy was he depressed when we was talking to him. he said, '' The Coalition with the Tory party was the biggest miscalculation of any Lib/Dem leader he could remember within his life time'' I could not agree more with him Red. He believes that his whole party hangs on the state of the UK economy come the 2015 GE. Well I pointed out to him that all the figures I have seen show me that his hopes will be dashed.

Clegg his a party that will now not find it easy to fight come 2015. if Clegg makes the Lords then even more Lib/Dem's will up sticks and leave the party. as they will be left with no real party after this.

Alright Stox,

Couldn't agree more. The Lib Dems are completely finished and as you are aware I used to be one, that is until that fateful day in May 2010 that they decided to abandon liberalism and become Tories. For destroying his own party, Clegg should either be abandoned on some desert isle or where he can't do any more harm! Never mind I've now joined Labour and thoroughly enjoying my new party. In my heart however I'll always be a liberal.

LWS wrote:

Stox 16 wrote:

Redflag wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:

Stox 16 wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:I still feel (as I have since the condems formed) That the lib-dems will implode and split into 2 maybe 3 factions or even official parties (depending on whether the orange bookers are absorbed directly into the tories).

Hi KnarkyBadger
I can see this coming about, not that there will be many left in the House of Commons. what's more there grass roots party has been bleeding members for the last two years and its showing within there seats. The Tories to could well spilt in two as yet with a anti EU grouping taking over from UKIP. all of this is quite possible with how things are going within these two parties. I would say it could still go anyway right now. but what ever happen it will take place without Clegg as he will lose his seat I am sure off.

Clegg will be straight off up to the Lords!

Only if he gets his Lords reform Bill through, then he would be lucky to get anybody to vote him into the Lords ha ha ha Hell mend him for what he has done to his party because at the next GE they will be EXTINCT.

Hi Red
For however much I find the Tory party leadership interesting this is nothing to how interesting I find the Lib/Dem. As last week I was playing Chess in a cup game and drew a Lib/dem Chairmen from North Norfolk. Oh boy was he depressed when we was talking to him. he said, '' The Coalition with the Tory party was the biggest miscalculation of any Lib/Dem leader he could remember within his life time'' I could not agree more with him Red. He believes that his whole party hangs on the state of the UK economy come the 2015 GE. Well I pointed out to him that all the figures I have seen show me that his hopes will be dashed.

Clegg his a party that will now not find it easy to fight come 2015. if Clegg makes the Lords then even more Lib/Dem's will up sticks and leave the party. as they will be left with no real party after this.

Alright Stox,

Couldn't agree more. The Lib Dems are completely finished and as you are aware I used to be one, that is until that fateful day in May 2010 that they decided to abandon liberalism and become Tories. For destroying his own party, Clegg should either be abandoned on some desert isle or where he can't do any more harm! Never mind I've now joined Labour and thoroughly enjoying my new party. In my heart however I'll always be a liberal.

Pardon me for interjection. But considering we dont have a Labour party with a manifesto yet, and as a "traditional" Labour voter myself, how can you being enjoying your new party ?

Ivanhoe wrote:

LWS wrote:

Stox 16 wrote:

Redflag wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:

Stox 16 wrote:

KnarkyBadger wrote:I still feel (as I have since the condems formed) That the lib-dems will implode and split into 2 maybe 3 factions or even official parties (depending on whether the orange bookers are absorbed directly into the tories).

Hi KnarkyBadger
I can see this coming about, not that there will be many left in the House of Commons. what's more there grass roots party has been bleeding members for the last two years and its showing within there seats. The Tories to could well spilt in two as yet with a anti EU grouping taking over from UKIP. all of this is quite possible with how things are going within these two parties. I would say it could still go anyway right now. but what ever happen it will take place without Clegg as he will lose his seat I am sure off.

Clegg will be straight off up to the Lords!

Only if he gets his Lords reform Bill through, then he would be lucky to get anybody to vote him into the Lords ha ha ha Hell mend him for what he has done to his party because at the next GE they will be EXTINCT.

Hi Red
For however much I find the Tory party leadership interesting this is nothing to how interesting I find the Lib/Dem. As last week I was playing Chess in a cup game and drew a Lib/dem Chairmen from North Norfolk. Oh boy was he depressed when we was talking to him. he said, '' The Coalition with the Tory party was the biggest miscalculation of any Lib/Dem leader he could remember within his life time'' I could not agree more with him Red. He believes that his whole party hangs on the state of the UK economy come the 2015 GE. Well I pointed out to him that all the figures I have seen show me that his hopes will be dashed.

Clegg his a party that will now not find it easy to fight come 2015. if Clegg makes the Lords then even more Lib/Dem's will up sticks and leave the party. as they will be left with no real party after this.

Alright Stox,

Couldn't agree more. The Lib Dems are completely finished and as you are aware I used to be one, that is until that fateful day in May 2010 that they decided to abandon liberalism and become Tories. For destroying his own party, Clegg should either be abandoned on some desert isle or where he can't do any more harm! Never mind I've now joined Labour and thoroughly enjoying my new party. In my heart however I'll always be a liberal.

Pardon me for interjection. But considering we dont have a Labour party with a manifesto yet, and as a "traditional" Labour voter myself, how can you being enjoying your new party ?

I'm not sure if I fully understand your question. However it is a change and in my view change is good, it means a state of progression. I realise they don't have a manifesto as such and won't have a fully constructed one until the time of the next election. Does this provide an answer to your query?

Ivanhoe said. Pardon me for interjection. But considering we don’t have a Labour party with a manifesto yet, and as a "traditional" Labour voter myself, how can you being enjoying your new party ?

　

Neither do the Conservative or the Lib Dems have a manifesto, and wont have till just before the next General election. The manifesto’s they did have (at the same time Labour also had theirs) went out of the window with the writing of the Coalition Agreement.

Why do you feel that The Labour Party should produce one now with possibly another two and a bit years to go till the next GE?

bobby wrote:Ivanhoe said. Pardon me for interjection. But considering we don’t have a Labour party with a manifesto yet, and as a "traditional" Labour voter myself, how can you being enjoying your new party ?

　

Neither do the Conservative or the Lib Dems have a manifesto, and wont have till just before the next General election. The manifesto’s they did have (at the same time Labour also had theirs) went out of the window with the writing of the Coalition Agreement.

Why do you feel that The Labour Party should produce one now with possibly another two and a bit years to go till the next GE?

Because Ed Milland's got to start showing his colours. We dont want a return to Blair's Thatcherism.

Ed is using the same tactic Cameron used when asked when in opposition.
Quote-- "we are not about to give the opposition the opportunity of stealing our plans and ideas".

Thatcherism?? we certanly are having a double dose of her ideology at present with worse to come no doubt.

Ed can do nothing to oust these tyrants himself although the British public could if they were to take collective action against the them, rather than sitting back and allowing themselves to be downtrodden.

Judging by current events in the US Presidential Election, Nick Clegg's Lib-Dems could do worse than take one pace swiftly three-thousand miles to the West, as there is clearly a vacancy in US Politics.

oftenwrong wrote:Judging by current events in the US Presidential Election, Nick Clegg's Lib-Dems could do worse than take one pace swiftly three-thousand miles to the West, as there is clearly a vacancy in US Politics.

That could be one hellova "yank" methinks.

bobby wrote:Ivanhoe said. Pardon me for interjection. But considering we don’t have a Labour party with a manifesto yet, and as a "traditional" Labour voter myself, how can you being enjoying your new party ?

　

Neither do the Conservative or the Lib Dems have a manifesto, and wont have till just before the next General election. The manifesto’s they did have (at the same time Labour also had theirs) went out of the window with the writing of the Coalition Agreement.

Why do you feel that The Labour Party should produce one now with possibly another two and a bit years to go till the next GE?

That is so true bobby but the right wingers and others want Ed Miliband to produce the Labour parties Manifesto now I wonder why? could it be that the Tories and L/Ds are on the lookout for some ideas as they have none of their own.

Hello Red. Some people choose to call themselves Labour supporters, yet as you so eloquently put it, want Ed Miliband to show the Tory led Coalition how to get themselves out of trouble, and possibly re-elected come the next GE. These same people also keep peddling the absolute rubbish that New Labour where followers of Thatcher. Their only reason for this is because New Labour assisted business in order to pay for all of the other New Labour Benefits like the Free bus travel, the winter Fuel allowance, the minimum wage, pension credits for the lower paid, investment in schools, investment in our NHS and reduce the massive unemployement inherited from the previous Government the list goes on and on, and for doing all that, they are called Thatcherite.
Now I’ll wait for the response going on and on about means testing, and the very outdated traditional Labour values.

bobby wrote:Hello Red. Some people choose to call themselves Labour supporters, yet as you so eloquently put it, want Ed Miliband to show the Tory led Coalition how to get themselves out of trouble, and possibly re-elected come the next GE. These same people also keep peddling the absolute rubbish that New Labour where followers of Thatcher. Their only reason for this is because New Labour assisted business in order to pay for all of the other New Labour Benefits like the Free bus travel, the winter Fuel allowance, the minimum wage, pension credits for the lower paid, investment in schools, investment in our NHS and reduce the massive unemployement inherited from the previous Government the list goes on and on, and for doing all that, they are called Thatcherite.
Now I’ll wait for the response going on and on about means testing, and the very outdated traditional Labour values.

New Labour where followers of Thatcher. Bang on. Now tell us all why you believe traditional Labour values are outdated ?

Under Blair almost everyone benefited, including the poor, the sick, the disabled and yes the wealthy business people to boot. The poor got richer and so did the rich. FACT.

Mel wrote:Under Blair almost everyone benefited, including the poor, the sick, the disabled and yes the wealthy business people to boot. The poor got richer and so did the rich. FACT.

The poor got means tested. The rich got tax cuts. Fact.