Ken or Boris?

by **Ivan** Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:57 pm

First topic message reminder :

May 3 is the date set for the London Mayoral election. The three main candidates are Boris Johnson (Tory), who has been Mayor of London since 2008, Ken Livingstone (Labour), who was Mayor from 2000 until 2008, and Brian Paddick (Lib Dem). As Paddick is currently polling around 7%, I think we can discount him.

From 1986 to 2000, London had been the only major city in the Western world without its own elected authority. That was because when Labour regained control of the Greater London Council (GLC) in 1981, Thatcher, an enemy of democracy, decided to abolish it. She also abolished six metropolitan councils which just happened to be Labour-controlled. It's hardly surprising that she was a personal friend of General Pinochet, a man not noted for his democratic credentials.

Ken Livingstone was born in Streatham in London in 1945 and went to Tulse Hill Comprehensive School. He worked as a cancer research laboratory technician at the Royal Marsden Hospital. In 1971, he became a councillor in Lambeth, and he was the leader of the GLC from 1981 until its abolition in 1986. He was the MP for Brent East from 1987 until 2001.

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, a descendant of an illegitimate child of George II, was born in 1964 and went to Eton and Oxford, where, as a member of the Bullingdon Club (in the company of Cameron and Osborne) he spent a night in a police cell after trashing a restaurant. He became a journalist and was the Tory MP for Henley from 2001 to 2008. Once elected Mayor of London (on a salary of around £150,000 a year), he resumed work as a ‘Daily Telegraph’ columnist on a further £250,000 a year.

Johnson, who has campaigned vigorously against the 50% top rate of tax and has frequently defended bankers, is a serial adulterer, compulsive liar, racist, and even a thief, once being made to return an article which he looted from the home of Tariq Aziz in Baghdad. He has a reputation for running up exorbitant expenses, and in short, he’s thoroughly unsuitable for holding any office.

by blueturando Tue May 01, 2012 3:02 pm

The results of any poll only relates to the said area where the poll was taken, have a poll in a mainly Tory area, the poll will favour the Tories. Now take one in a mainly Labour area, then you will have an opposite result, i don't put much trust in poll's

I guess this could also be true of the national polls???

by Redflag Tue May 01, 2012 3:16 pm

blueturando wrote:
The results of any poll only relates to the said area where the poll was taken, have a poll in a mainly Tory area, the poll will favour the Tories. Now take one in a mainly Labour area, then you will have an opposite result, i don't put much trust in poll's

I guess this could also be true of the national polls???

Got to agree with you blue, can you work out what would happen if a poll was taken in a L/D area.?

by blueturando Tue May 01, 2012 3:27 pm

Lol........Yes, support for no party at all.....95%...Greens 5%

by **Ivan** Tue May 01, 2012 5:15 pm

Why shouldn't the mayor look for sponsorship from any enterprise, isn't that part of his job remit…Livingstone and his vanity projects + lies cost those of us living in London lots of money.

tlttf. The Mayor of London is responsible for the Metropolitan Police. Firstly, Johnson abused his position by revealing operational details and tipping off his Tory chum Damian Green in November 2008 that he was about to be arrested. Then while Murdoch’s criminal empire was being investigated by the Met for phone-hacking, Johnson was trying to make commercial deals with it.

Last August, London was burning, with rioting in 29 of the capital city’s 32 boroughs, and the police were being accused of not even trying to contain the unfettered violence, looting and arson that went on. Johnson was on holiday in Canada and refused to return, saying that “he was not going to ‘reward’ the rioters by dancing to their tune and rushing back.” He claimed that he could just as easily direct operations from Canada as from his office in London, yet the lazy and complacent git didn’t even go into a local TV studio in Canada and make an address to the people of London from there.

'Vanity projects', did you say? So how would you describe Johnson’s much-trumpeted new Routemaster bus, which has cost £11.37 million for just eight vehicles (and the first one broke down on its initial outing)? Even the cycle rental plan was Ken’s idea, all organised and budgeted for before Johnson became Mayor.

Johnson described the £250k a year which he gets for his second job as “chicken feed”, yet the hypocrite thinks young unemployed people should work in supermarkets for nothing. Ken doesn’t expect people to work without pay. We hear plenty of lies and smears about Ken’s company, which he set up – quite legally - to employ people for his campaign, but no mention that Johnson's outfit uses the offices of a firm that paid no tax for three years:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/may/01/boris-johnson-campaign-offices-tax

So why don’t you tell us about some of Johnson’s many lies? His foul-mouthed attack on a journalist yesterday followed his claim that he didn’t know anything about plans to set up a school sponsored by News International: “I don’t know of any discussions going on about that.” However, the Leveson Inquiry revealed that he had been in talks with Rebekah Brooks on setting up an academy based in east London. Johnson told the London Development Agency, which hands out millions of pounds for academies, to work with News International on the school. E-mails reveal plans for site visits with Johnson, James Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks in attendance. Johnson led the drive to secure the land for the project in Newham, with Michael Gove delivering extra money. Discussions appeared to be continuing as the Metropolitan Police started their phone hacking inquiry in January 2011.
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/05/boris-johnsons-botched-cover-up-over-talks-with-rebekah-brooks/

Ken took the brave and unpopular but correct decision to introduce the congestion charge in London. Johnson promised not to increase it and then did so by 25%. Johnson has been sacked from two previous jobs for telling lies, and if the London voters can think for themselves instead of falling for all the ‘Evening Standard’ propaganda, they’ll sack him from his present role on Thursday.

by tlttf Tue May 01, 2012 5:28 pm

Strange you should mention the buses Ivan. I think you'll find the costs included the initial design costs. Remember the good old days when traffic was brought to a standstill by bendy buses blocking off the yellow box junctions and catching fire. Remember the new bus is designed and built in Britain while the bendy bus was designed and built in Germany. The new bus will eventually pay fot itself, the bendy bus lost £millions in uncollected fares which is why it was called the freeby.

Boris has kept the congestion zone in the centre where it belongs, not taking over the west as Ken wants it. Note Ken won't move it east for fear of offending his beloved immigrants.

Finally why fly back from Canada because of the rioting, by the time the plane took off it was nearly over (something for you to attack Ivan). If you believe him being here would have made a difference, then your politics has finally overtaken any common sense you originally had.

by Mel Tue May 01, 2012 7:32 pm

"Boris has kept the congestion zone in the centre where it belongs, not taking over the west as Ken wants it. "

Ah yes, of course we forgot you live in Chelsea don't you tlttf. drunken

by oftenwrong Tue May 01, 2012 7:57 pm

Some people were emotionally affected by the activities of Ulster separatists during "The Troubles", which were so parochial as to defy understanding. Their grievances were directed toward the Constabulary and elements of the British Army of course, but those were clearly identifiable as representing "the enemy" for a Loyalist.

But their principal targets for bombing were Public Transport, Housing, shops and pubs.

Even the humblest animals learn not to sh1t in the nest. So why does debate about the election of a Mayor of London revolve about trivia like bendy-busses and traffic control? What about the expensive properties that don't pay full Council Tax because the "Owner" is a foreign-registered Company?

by **Ivan** Tue May 01, 2012 8:36 pm

Strange you should mention the buses Ivan. I think you'll find the costs included the initial design costs. Remember the good old days when traffic was brought to a standstill by bendy buses blocking off the yellow box junctions and catching fire…..Boris has kept the congestion zone in the centre where it belongs, not taking over the west as Ken wants it. Finally why fly back from Canada because of the rioting, by the time the plane took off it was nearly over If you believe him being here would have made a difference, then your politics has finally overtaken any common sense you originally had.

More lies. Ken has said in this campaign that if elected he wouldn’t extend the congestion charge. On the other hand, Johnson lied in 2008 when he said he wouldn’t increase the congestion charge but then did.

It doesn’t matter whether the Routemaster costs include the initial design fees or not, the vanity project has cost London taxpayers £11.37 million and there are only 8 buses to show for it. That's 736% more than a standard London doubledecker. And vehicles do catch fire from time to time; a bus was ablaze last week on the M25 between Reigate and Leatherhead, and it wasn’t a bendy bus. Why don’t you now try repeating Johnson’s lie about hordes of people being run over by bendy buses?

No, I don’t suppose the presence of Johnson last summer would have made much difference, because he’s so out of touch with most Londoners The riots lasted from 6 to 10 August; a flight from Canada probably only takes about eight or nine hours. There was plenty of time for Johnson to get back here and try and show some leadership qualities for once in his life, but then the fat lazy oaf isn’t really the Mayor of London. He’s farmed that job out to Kit Malthouse (a relic of the days of another corrupt London Tory, Shirley Porter), so that he can earn his ‘chicken feed’ on a newspaper and even write a book. There was controversy during the riots concerning the police tactics, but Johnson couldn’t even be bothered to go to a TV station in Canada and issue a statement.

When the 7/7 atrocities occurred in London in 2005, Ken Livingstone was Mayor of London. At the time, he was in Singapore lobbying for London to hold the Olympics this year. When he heard news of the bombing, he addressed the assembled media and then boarded the first plane back to Britain, but not before checking he could be contacted mid-air if necessary. That's leadership.

Don't try lecturing me, thank you. Common sense doesn’t involve supporting a lying, disreputable, arrogant Bullingdon Club toff such as Johnson who, like his fellow restaurant-wreckers Cameron and Osborne, has no empathy with the vast majority of Londoners.

by Redflag Wed May 02, 2012 7:52 am

Ivan wrote:
Strange you should mention the buses Ivan. I think you'll find the costs included the initial design costs. Remember the good old days when traffic was brought to a standstill by bendy buses blocking off the yellow box junctions and catching fire…..Boris has kept the congestion zone in the centre where it belongs, not taking over the west as Ken wants it. Finally why fly back from Canada because of the rioting, by the time the plane took off it was nearly over If you believe him being here would have made a difference, then your politics has finally overtaken any common sense you originally had.
More lies. Ken has said in this campaign that if elected he wouldn’t extend the congestion charge. On the other hand, Johnson lied in 2008 when he said he wouldn’t increase the congestion charge but then did.

It doesn’t matter whether the Routemaster costs include the initial design fees or not, the vanity project has cost London taxpayers £11.37 million and there are only 8 buses to show for it. That's 736% more than a standard London doubledecker. And vehicles do catch fire from time to time; a bus was ablaze last week on the M25 between Reigate and Leatherhead, and it wasn’t a bendy bus. Why don’t you now try repeating Johnson’s lie about hordes of people being run over by bendy buses?

No, I don’t suppose the presence of Johnson last summer would have made much difference, because he’s so out of touch with most Londoners The riots lasted from 6 to 10 August; a flight from Canada probably only takes about eight or nine hours. There was plenty of time for Johnson to get back here and try and show some leadership qualities for once in his life, but then the fat lazy oaf isn’t really the Mayor of London. He’s farmed that job out to Kit Malthouse (a relic of the days of another corrupt London Tory, Shirley Porter), so that he can earn his ‘chicken feed’ on a newspaper and even write a book. There was controversy during the riots concerning the police tactics, but Johnson couldn’t even be bothered to go to a TV station in Canada and issue a statement.

When the 7/7 atrocities occurred in London in 2005, Ken Livingstone was Mayor of London. At the time, he was in Singapore lobbying for London to hold the Olympics this year. When he heard news of the bombing, he addressed the assembled media and then boarded the first plane back to Britain, but not before checking he could be contacted mid-air if necessary. That's leadership.

Don't try lecturing me, thank you. Common sense doesn’t involve supporting a lying, disreputable, arrogant Bullingdon Club toff such as Johnson who, like his fellow restaurant-wreckers Cameron and Osborne, has no empathy with the vast majority of Londoners.

Great post Ivan and Im glad your on the Labour party's side and not the Tories (forgive me) through you Doris's smear campaign on Ken has proved every time thats all it was an A**E H**E belonging to the Bullingdon Club who does not give a damn for the people of London, selfish through and through. As for him letting other people do his job while he writes his column for the Tory rag and his book that is because a good hard days work would put him in his bed for a month as he more than likely never done a days work in his natural life, and the worst thing is he more than likely never will. Embarassed

by **Ivan** Wed May 02, 2012 2:48 pm

The passage below is from an article written by Dr Eoin Clarke. (In case anyone is concerned that I’m flouting copyright laws, I have his permission to reproduce anything posted on his website.)

"Boris Johnson has, over the last 12 years, offended Muslims, black people, women, Irish, AIDS victims, mourners and countless other sections of society. The man rarely apologises for any of his abuse, and shows no remorse. Loose words are one thing, but a career long litany of abuse is quite another. The right wing press has conspired to make sure as little pressure as possible is placed on Johnson, nor do they attempt to shed light upon the dark recesses of his bigoted thinking. His views make him thoroughly incapable of holding high office.

The most serious problem is that these incidents from Boris are not one off events. For example, reacting 12 years ago to the institutional racism at the heart of the London Metropolitan Police after the way it handled the Stephen Lawrence murder, Boris Johnson called the police "victims" of the MacPherson Report. Boris Johnson's crassness knows no bounds.

In 2002, when he was Shadow Education Spokesperson, Boris Johnson mocked black people as “flag waving piccaninnies” with “watermelon smiles”. In 2004, he mocked Liverpool mourners of the Hillsborough disaster for wallowing in victimhood status.

Women who think they have escaped Mr Johnson's wrath thus far would perhaps need to think again after reading the following quote. Johnson when asked why people should vote Tory he replied: "Voting Tory will make your wife have bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW."

Hints of Boris's sexism did not stop there. In 2005, he eulogised over his friend and then Italian PM, Silvio Berlusconi, when he said: "There is something about the Italian leader that makes me warm to him; and it would be sad if he were to lose next month in the Italian elections to one as spine-crackingly worthy as Romano Prodi. Silvio Berlusconi is a landmark of modern politics. There is no one to touch him for sheer exuberant outrageousness. In his speech, in his dress, his bandanas, his face-lifts, his ludicrous 1950s cruise-ship sexism". The same piece repeats jokes about AIDS sufferers and other victims."

Source:-
http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/12-years-of-racism-anti-irishness-anti.html

In the 2008 campaign, Johnson received 84% of his funding from bankers and hedge fund managers, and they’re the people he really represents. He went to the Davos World Economic Forum to plead for people not to be hard on bankers, and he’s long campaigned for a reduction in the top rate of tax, not just to 45% but to 40%. At the same time he’s increased bus fares way above inflation for ordinary Londoners.

“How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? That's the whole art of Tory politics.” (Aneurin Bevan)

by tlttf Wed May 02, 2012 4:48 pm

Bloody hell Ivan, you don't half use a lot of words to say nothing.

Kens latest wheeze is saying that David Cameron is the same as the Norwegian Anders Breivik.
Aren't you lucky you don't live in London and so have no input. Imagine a labour party full of Livingstones, imagine him as the next labour leader, he'd be calling for a Jihad against anyone that disagreed with him. (Sound familiar Ivan).

by tlttf Wed May 02, 2012 5:05 pm

A Fantastic story in the Telegraph by somebody that actually worked for Livingstone.

Why this former crony can’t vote for Ken Livingstone
Working as part of Ken Livingstone’s mayoral machine taught me that he’s unfit to rule.
Seeing red: not everyone is backing Ken Livingstone's campaign to be Mayor of London - Why this former crony can’t vote for Ken
Seeing red: not everyone is backing Ken Livingstone's campaign to be Mayor of London Photo: PA

By Dan Hodges

Sorry I didn't use a lot of words but I'll assume people on here know how to access it?

by Mel Wed May 02, 2012 6:31 pm

I wont bother to "access it". More trype from the ToryTelegraph.

The only reason you want Boris is because Ken will make your beloved Chelsea a congestion charge area.
Look after yourself and sod anyone else, the usual attitude.

Didn't use many words. None in fact of your own. What's new?

by **Ivan** Wed May 02, 2012 9:33 pm

Bloody hell Ivan, you don't half use a lot of words to say nothing.

tlttf. Is that any worse than using, as you do, a few words to say nothing, apart from repeating a few standard Tory lies? However, anyone paying attention might realise that far from “using a lot of words” I’d used very few and posted extracts from an article by Dr Eoin Clarke, but then we can’t expect Tories to pay attention to such details as facts.

We’d “know how to access” your stories if you could be bothered to post the link to them.

Ken has said that he wouldn’t extend the congestion charge westwards, and as he’s not a Tory, I believe him. You support Johnson because you thinks the fat oaf will cut your Council Tax. You probably believed in 1992 that the Tories would “cut taxes year on year”, and you probably believed that Cameron wouldn’t increase VAT or tear up the NHS. Some people never learn that no lie is too big for a Tory, as long as it gets them elected.

So you’ll go out and vote for Johnson tomorrow, the part-time mayor who treats Londoners with contempt and farms out the job while he writes his book and a newspaper column. You’ll vote for Johnson, just another corrupt Tory who, like so many others, has been shown to be in Murdoch’s pocket. Then I expect you'll come back here and tell us once again that you're not a Tory. Do you expect anyone to believe anything you say?

by tlttf Thu May 03, 2012 6:07 am

Definitely voting for Boris Ivan, me actually living in London, I can see the difference between Boris doing things (whether part time or not) and Ken lying to get in power then reneging on all his promises. Do you really believe he'd resign? Probably would reduce the fares but would have find the cash somewhere else (he hasn't told us where yet). Why not extend the congestion zone, that is a much more congested area than the west?

By the way I pay less council tax under Boris than I did under Ken and you conveniently forget this is a local election and not national, those that would vote for higher costs by all means vote labour (check the highest spending council and see who runs them. I could point out other realities but must go for a shower (Have to go to work) and get my vote in early.

Toodle pip.

by Redflag Thu May 03, 2012 8:09 am

Mel wrote:I wont bother to "access it". More trype from the ToryTelegraph.

The only reason you want Boris is because Ken will make your beloved Chelsea a congestion charge area.
Look after yourself and sod anyone else, the usual attitude.

Didn't use many words. None in fact of your own. What's new?

Hi Mel all I want to say is good luck Ken Im keeping my fingers crossed for you and praying that the people of London do the right thing, and too all those Labour Councillors good luck we are all thinking of you we know you can do it.

by Mel Thu May 03, 2012 8:42 am

Hi Red, I think the Boris fool will win because there are too many residents like tlttf, you know the ones who are political fence sitters until something benefits them. Add them to the hard core Tories in the area and Ken does not have much hope i'm sorry to say.

Tlttf knows that Ken would congestion charge Chelsea where tlttf lives. I'm afraid since Thatchers doctrine it's sadly look after number one and sod the rest attitude these days for the majority.

by Redflag Thu May 03, 2012 8:54 am

Mel wrote:Hi Red, I think the Boris fool will win because there are too many residents like tlttf, you know the ones who are political fence sitters until something benefits them. Add them to the hard core Tories in the area and Ken does not have much hope i'm sorry to say.

Tlttf knows that Ken would congestion charge Chelsea where tlttf lives. I'm afraid since Thatchers doctrine it's sadly look after number one and sod the rest attitude these days for the majority.

Firstly hope your wrong Mel and that the people of London will see the light, because heaven help them if Doris gets in you and I both know what he will do all those promises will go out of the window with some lame excuse, I have been texting our Labour man for the Council since six thirty this morning winding him up and wishing him well, our problem is the SNP but from the letter I got from them they do not want to win, just like wee alec does not want Independence for Scotland but he does want something do not know what is is yet I suppose that will come out in the wash.

by Adele Carlyon Thu May 03, 2012 9:08 am

I think Buffoon will win too...what a shame! Sad

by Redflag Thu May 03, 2012 9:39 am

Adele Carlyon wrote:I think Buffoon will win too...what a shame!

I hope that you and Mel are way out Adele, do you not think the people of London have had enough of the Tories and as I have said we know what will happen if Doris gets in.

by oftenwrong Thu May 03, 2012 11:28 am

We'll know for certain by 8 p.m. tomorrow evening.

Results of the election for the London Assembly will be announced first.

by Redflag Thu May 03, 2012 11:59 am

oftenwrong wrote:We'll know for certain by 8 p.m. tomorrow evening.

Results of the election for the London Assembly will be announced first.

I thought that the Mayoral result would be first but since you live in the area you will know more than me OW.

by trevorw2539 Thu May 03, 2012 12:22 pm

Redflag wrote:
oftenwrong wrote:We'll know for certain by 8 p.m. tomorrow evening.

Results of the election for the London Assembly will be announced first.

I thought that the Mayoral result would be first but since you live in the area you will know more than me OW.

The Mad Hatters Tea Party first. Then off with somebody's head. Smile

by Redflag Thu May 03, 2012 1:15 pm

trevorw2539 wrote:
Redflag wrote:
oftenwrong wrote:We'll know for certain by 8 p.m. tomorrow evening.

Results of the election for the London Assembly will be announced first.

I thought that the Mayoral result would be first but since you live in the area you will know more than me OW.

The Mad Hatters Tea Party first. Then off with somebody's head.

Are you being sarcastic trevor 2539, do not mind if its Doris head and stick on a spike on Westminster Bridge.

by trevorw2539 Thu May 03, 2012 3:41 pm

RedFlag.quote.

Are you being sarcastic trevor 2539, do not mind if its Doris head and stick on a spike on Westminster Bridge

Just a bit of fun. Don't live there. Don't care who wins. Don't believe in Lord Mayors running anything - at least not to spend my money on their pet projects. Leading a council or as representative of the local town/city OK. Nothing more.

We are not voting in our area. I have no time for this particular Government though, and would like to see them get a hiding locally and nationally.

by **Ivan** Thu May 03, 2012 4:35 pm

trevor2539. The 'Lord Mayor of London' is a different post from the 'Mayor of London':-
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Council_and_democracy/Councillors_democracy_and_elections/The_Lord_Mayor/

The 'Mayor of London' is a powerful position and the incumbent sets an annual budget of about £14 bilion, unless the London Assembly can achieve a two-thirds majority in favour of alternative proposals. I just hope that if Johnson has duped enough fools into voting him back in today that there will be a strong anti-Tory representation in the London Assembly to thwart him.

It's pretty sad if, with Cameron's government knee-deep in Murdoch sleaze, the voters of London re-elect Johnson, another Bullingdon Club Tory toff who acts as if he's above the law, and one who was even negotiating with the Murdoch empire after the phone-hacking investigations had started.

by trevorw2539 Thu May 03, 2012 5:25 pm

trevor2539. The 'Lord Mayor of London' is a different post from the 'Mayor of London':-
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Council_and_democracy/Councillors_democracy_and_elections/The_Lord_Mayor/

Accepted. But then it's all a Night-mayor to me. £14b. Could have a good fortnight at Butlins on that.

by jackthelad Thu May 03, 2012 6:18 pm

Well, we are having a referendum to see if we should get rid of our Mayor, i don't think he was a great success. In the old days the councillors elected the leader of the council, and he could be removed after 12 months if he was a bad leader, (we had a civic mayor for non political purpose like opening a new store) but an elected mayor was in for five years and they can do a lot of damage in that time. There was nothing wrong with the old system, don't know why they wanted it to change, if a thing is not broken why change it. We have fought a few wars to get rid of dictators, can't see why we should impose one on our selves. Well, we have voted, the missus and I, now we wait with fingers crossed hopeing thing go back to the old days.

by tlttf Thu May 03, 2012 6:19 pm

Nice one Trevor.

Apparently at least two in Ten Labour supporters will not vote for Livingstone in the mayoral election and the other eight are extremely embarrassed.

by oftenwrong Thu May 03, 2012 7:23 pm

Redflag wrote:
oftenwrong wrote:We'll know for certain by 8 p.m. tomorrow evening.

Results of the election for the London Assembly will be announced first.

I thought that the Mayoral result would be first but since you live in the area you will know more than me OW.

If you get the result of the election for Mayor of London BEFORE 8.00 p.m. on Friday 4th. May, Redflag, post a timed message on here and you can have a single malt on me.

by Redflag Thu May 03, 2012 7:28 pm

oftenwrong wrote:
Redflag wrote:
oftenwrong wrote:We'll know for certain by 8 p.m. tomorrow evening.

Results of the election for the London Assembly will be announced first.

I thought that the Mayoral result would be first but since you live in the area you will know more than me OW.

If you get the result of the election for Mayor of London BEFORE 8.00 p.m. on Friday 4th. May, Redflag, post a timed message on here and you can have a single malt on me.

I know our count does not start until 9.00am on 4th May so I will be on tender hooks until the count is done so everything will have to remain crossed until then, how come OW the count will not been known until that time?

by oftenwrong Thu May 03, 2012 7:43 pm

Something to do with the timing of TV News broadcasts, I would imagine, but we'll see.

The best-laid schemes o' mice an 'men ....

by trevorw2539 Thu May 03, 2012 7:48 pm

Jackthelad. Spot on. Smile

by Redflag Thu May 03, 2012 8:06 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Something to do with the timing of TV News broadcasts, I would imagine, but we'll see.

The best-laid schemes o' mice an 'men ....

Well we know who the mice are, where are the men ha ha.

by trevorw2539 Thu May 03, 2012 8:42 pm

Well we know who the mice are, where are the men ha ha

Gang Awa'?

by Redflag Thu May 03, 2012 8:46 pm

trevorw2539 wrote:Well we know who the mice are, where are the men ha ha

Gang Awa'?

Are you trying to speak Scottish trevor2539 heres one you might not have heard "Go lie on your Ribs".

by sickchip Thu May 03, 2012 9:18 pm

Isn't it exciting..... Rolling Eyes

by jackthelad Fri May 04, 2012 2:36 pm

Well Labour seems to have had successful council elections, the Tories and Lib/Dems have had a bad time. Four cities have rejected having an elected mayor, Manchester, Birmingham, Coventry and one other, who's name escapes me. Doncaster is having a referendum on whether we should keep our elected mayor or retain him, i am hoping all Doncastrians have the same commonsense has those four cities and get shut of him. Not heard anything yet, should get to know later today, i await with baited breath, and hope he has his marching orders. He claimed he was neutral from the from the big parties, never told anyone he was a compulsive liar, and that he was a closet Conservative.

by trevorw2539 Fri May 04, 2012 7:34 pm

Are you trying to speak Scottish trevor2539 heres one you might not have heard "Go lie on your Ribs".

Ken or Boris? - Page 8 85-61

Redflag

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Unless it's the same as 'tickling your ribs' south of the Border - no.

I'm fluent in double dutch, gobbledegook and reasonable in English. Heathen languages like Gaelic, Scot...... erm - Perhaps not Wink

by Redflag Fri May 04, 2012 8:51 pm

trevorw2539 wrote:Are you trying to speak Scottish trevor2539 heres one you might not have heard "Go lie on your Ribs".

Redflag

Posts: 700
Join date: 2011-12-31

Unless it's the same as 'tickling your ribs' south of the Border - no.

I'm fluent in double dutch, gobbledegook and reasonable in English. Heathen languages like Gaelic, Scot...... erm - Perhaps not

It means what is says, in your language it means "Get Lost"

by Red Cat Woman Sat May 05, 2012 3:00 am

RED CAT WOMAN SAYS CONGRATULATIONS TO DORIS IN HIS WIN OVER OUR KEN

Even if i do not like the result it was still a very good win against the Tory swing

Ken or Boris? - Page 8 Secure14

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