How long do you think the coalition will last?

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I want people's opinion of how long they think this coalition will last. ?

Bluey. Could you let us know what you think of Herr Camerons latest, in wanting to privatise the police?

Yes I have heard Bobby......All police officers are to be sacked and have re-apply for their jobs in the private sector...this is terrible

Most of the stuff you chat about on here is either made up or grossly exagerated, so how can anyone take you seriously....just like Labour.

Bobby....see my comment from ealier today.....thanks for proving my point

Hello Bluey. Thanks for the honest answer.

At what point will it be the one straw that bvroke the camels back. Do you not think it is now obvieous that all they want to do is to privatise everything, now the police, whatever next, the fire brigade, ambulance service, town councils, where will they stop. It is Tory Ideology at its very worse. Do you think the Tory party we now have, bear any resemblance to the Tory party before and during the 2010 Election Campaign.
At the moment our Police force on the whole is a responsible body, and their responsibility is to the public, but who will the private copper be responsible to, and who will they be answerable to, and although private, will we still be subsidising them as we do everything else the Tory’s privatised. It is frightening just what this Government is doing, and the speed they are doing it in. They are not even giving us their paymasters any time to get used to any possible changes, there is absolutely no fairness vectored into what they are doing, its all going one way. And that aint for the benefit of those that pay most of the national tax take, its for the mega rich and those born to rule, many including Herr Cameron and Doris Johnson are decedents of illegitimacy.

Blueturando wrote



Bobby....see my comment from ealier today.....thanks for proving my point

Could you explain please, thats gone right over my head. What points that you have made, have I proven.

Bobby, I think this young whippersnapper is playing with words! (Sorry Blue, just could not resist it!!)

You write as if ALL the plod are to be privatised, as I understand it, the Chief Consterbles and the managers are to stay in the pubic - er public domain as they are totally useless and no company would want them except for Ealing Studios!

All the usable folks are to be privatised!

OK OK Blue don't pull yer hair oot!! Us oldies can have a larf as well!

It will be intresting to see which police jobs are to be taken over - out on the streets or in the orifice writing up paperwork. If one of these private cops EVEN THINKS of stopping me, he is in for a hard time!

Incidentally, I went to the post office today and asked for a new Highway Code and the assistant looked at me as if I had 3 heads!

cloo, she keeps her soap next the boot polish!

Astra wrote: You write as if ALL the plod are to be privatised, as I understand it, the Chief Consterbles and the managers are to stay in the pubic - er public domain as they are totally useless and no company would want them except for Ealing Studios!


Yes the thing is though V. Its the rozza in da hood wot doos da nikin, init.

By the way V. How are you keeping?

Doin' fine Bobby ta!

The Chemo is doing it's stuff just now so thankful for that. Funny how what was so frightening not so long ago has become part of living. Probably for another thread, but wot the eck!

How you doing yourself?

witchfinder wrote:Well its almost two years now since this government came to power, so lets look at the key differences between then and now.

In May 2010 unemployment was 2.48 million
In March 2012 unemployment is 2.70 million

In May 2010 UK growth was running at 1.1%
Most recent UK growth figure is -0.2%

Inflation in May 2010 was 3.4%
Most recent figure is 3.6%

UK net debt is higher now than in 2010

We've been here before of course, in Thatcher's manufactured recession of the 1980s. From 5.3% unemployment in 1979, the average rate of unemployment had reached more than twice that figure by 1984, with most of the claimants in the North. Many middle-aged male manual workers never worked again.
21 years later, under a Labour Government, the figure fell back to its 1979 level.

The Tories squandered the proceeds from North Sea Oil on benefits-payments to keep the Country from dividing into Civil War.

Staying off thread.

I'me doing well, V. Looking forwards to going to Italy, allthough I actually work harder there than I do here (which aint too hard to be honest). Its funny int it. As you know I go to Italy each year for a few months, yet haven't actually had a holiday as such for years.

V, Keep up the good fight . Bob.

oftenwrong wrote
We've been here before of course, in Thatcher's manufactured recession of the 1980s. From 5.3% unemployment in 1979, the average rate of unemployment had reached more than twice that figure by 1984, with most of the claimants in the North. Many middle-aged male manual workers never worked again.
21 years later, under a Labour Government, the figure fell back to its 1979 level.
 
The Tories squandered the proceeds from North Sea Oil on benefits-payments to keep the Country from dividing into Civil War.[quote]
 
Yes, and at the time we were told that we would all have the same working hours as our european friends and the same parity with pay and pensions! Here we are 40 years later even further apart and working more hours! We just keep getting spin.
Maybe the privatisation will help, get the office whallers , who are being paid as police with all the perks, back on the srteet. This could also put an end to the little perks too, no more back-handers from A wrecking crew after an accident, open up to cheaper operators. Sack all the superintendents, when was the last time they arrested anyone?

Strange that when it comes to public services people make quotes like :-

Sack all the superintendents, when was the last time they arrested anyone?

But you never hear quote like :- 'when was the last time Hester et.al. served a customer' when talking about highly paid bankers..

Superintendents are managers after all and I am not sure there are many large companies/organisations which do not need a manager..........

An extract from Peter Hitchins blog------

A Coalition of dying fake hate...

Have you noticed how the Tories and the Liberal Democrats are trying to pretend they hate each other? Like almost everything in public life these days, it’s a fake.

But both parties are worried that their collaboration has lost them voters. So watch out for a completely made-up row between them, probably over

Lords reform, followed by a Lib Dem ‘walkout’ from the Coalition. Nick Clegg will then go off to be a Euro Commissioner, a post that falls vacant in 2014. Vince Cable will probably take over his party.

Thanks to the creepy Fixed Term Parliament Act, which passed almost in silence, this walkout will not and cannot trigger a General Election. The new law means that the sort of no-confidence vote that brought down Jim Callaghan in 1979 can never happen again, a grave blow to our freedom.

So Mr Cameron will be able to stay at Downing Street at the head of a minority Tory Government.

There IMO have been many "made up rows" between Camer-con and Clegg the saffron blue.

Mel wrote:An extract from Peter Hitchins blog------

A Coalition of dying fake hate...

Have you noticed how the Tories and the Liberal Democrats are trying to pretend they hate each other? Like almost everything in public life these days, it’s a fake.

But both parties are worried that their collaboration has lost them voters. So watch out for a completely made-up row between them, probably over

Lords reform, followed by a Lib Dem ‘walkout’ from the Coalition. Nick Clegg will then go off to be a Euro Commissioner, a post that falls vacant in 2014. Vince Cable will probably take over his party.

Thanks to the creepy Fixed Term Parliament Act, which passed almost in silence, this walkout will not and cannot trigger a General Election. The new law means that the sort of no-confidence vote that brought down Jim Callaghan in 1979 can never happen again, a grave blow to our freedom.

So Mr Cameron will be able to stay at Downing Street at the head of a minority Tory Government.

There IMO have been many "made up rows" between Camer-con and Clegg the saffron blue.

And how long will that minority Tory government last Mel ?, that's the question.

Theres a new poll out this morning that shows a 5 point lead for Labour, the poll by YouGov is for The Sun, but it has to be said that with most other polls showing the two main parties neck and neck, this one could be a fluke.

My gut feeling is that given time, when the NHS reforms sink into the mindset of the British public, then Labour should move ahead, if theres one thing that upsets the British public, its messing the NHS up.

I also get the feeling that many people actualy believe the government when they say that privatisation will not happen in the NHS, these people will find out in 18 months time when staff at their local hospital are wearing name badges proudly displaying the name of a big American health company, instead of an NHS name badge.

Cameron has already set up a study group to examine what changes could be made anyway, under existing Law.

ELIZABETH KNOWLES. "if ifs and ands were pots and pans, there'd be no work for tinkers' hands." The Oxford Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 2006. Encyclopedia.com. 6 Mar. 2012 .

I sincerely hope that Clegg gets the same treatment at his conference, that Bliar got from the WRI !

NAH won't 'appen!! The WRI got that much more gonads than any lovvey back slapping liberal!!


(For our American friends, the Women's Rural Institute, and these LADIES - one and all, salutes and trembles, had Tony Blair when he was Prime Minister, for breakfast lunch and dinner!)

astra wrote:I sincerely hope that Clegg gets the same treatment at his conference, that Bliar got from the WRI !

NAH won't 'appen!! The WRI got that much more gonads than any lovvey back slapping liberal!!


(For our American friends, the Women's Rural Institute, and these LADIES - one and all, salutes and trembles, had Tony Blair when he was Prime Minister, for breakfast lunch and dinner!)

It will be a lot worse than what Tony Blair got astra he has a petition awaiting him for him to get the NHS Bill and one of the activists is a GP, I can see this been the break up of the Lib/Dem party or Clegg told to stand down as leader I can also see a lot of membership cards torn up because they know that if things do not change they will no such party as the Lib/Dems.

Some one within the LDs has realized that they are the ones that are been blamed for the Tories UNFAIR POLICIES and that is the reason for there ratings in the polls.

Ivanhoe wrote:

bobby wrote:Ivanhoe wrote.. I blame the people. Yes I mean it. We do get the politicians we deserve.

But oddly enough I dont blame Clegg. The British public pushed Clegg to do what he did.

Are you for real Ivanhoe. The people that voted for the Lib-Dems had absolutely no idea that Clegg would end up as such a comfy bed fellow to the despicable Tory Party. The people read on the Lib-Dem Posters, Vote Lib-Dem to keep the Tory’s out. At the Tripartite TV debates Clegg constantly criticised Herr Cameron, and no one but the dirty turn coats knew what was happening till the bum burger Laws and his sheeple came out to announce it to the public. In fact most of the people I spoke to from all parties, though a deal would be done with Labour, but the Tory’s where prepared to sell their souls for a lot less than was Labour.

bobby, the British in their wisdom ( joke ), created a hung Parliament, leaving Clegg to form solid government, "New" Labour under Gordon Brown lost the G/E, so you tell me what else Nick Clegg could have done ?

in my view Ivanhoe Clegg should of told the Tories he would vote on each issue that comes up...however, that was not what he was after..he was after the role within the government and sod everything else... There was just no need to side with either party...that was his choice and no one made him or his party go into Coalition with the Tories. its been done before

Ivanhoe wrote:

Mel wrote:An extract from Peter Hitchins blog------

A Coalition of dying fake hate...

Have you noticed how the Tories and the Liberal Democrats are trying to pretend they hate each other? Like almost everything in public life these days, it’s a fake.

But both parties are worried that their collaboration has lost them voters. So watch out for a completely made-up row between them, probably over

Lords reform, followed by a Lib Dem ‘walkout’ from the Coalition. Nick Clegg will then go off to be a Euro Commissioner, a post that falls vacant in 2014. Vince Cable will probably take over his party.

Thanks to the creepy Fixed Term Parliament Act, which passed almost in silence, this walkout will not and cannot trigger a General Election. The new law means that the sort of no-confidence vote that brought down Jim Callaghan in 1979 can never happen again, a grave blow to our freedom.

So Mr Cameron will be able to stay at Downing Street at the head of a minority Tory Government.

There IMO have been many "made up rows" between Camer-con and Clegg the saffron blue.

And how long will that minority Tory government last Mel ?, that's the question.

it would of lasted as long as the Tories played ball with everyone...

Mel wrote:An extract from Peter Hitchins blog------

A Coalition of dying fake hate...

Have you noticed how the Tories and the Liberal Democrats are trying to pretend they hate each other? Like almost everything in public life these days, it’s a fake.

But both parties are worried that their collaboration has lost them voters. So watch out for a completely made-up row between them, probably over

Lords reform, followed by a Lib Dem ‘walkout’ from the Coalition. Nick Clegg will then go off to be a Euro Commissioner, a post that falls vacant in 2014. Vince Cable will probably take over his party.

Thanks to the creepy Fixed Term Parliament Act, which passed almost in silence, this walkout will not and cannot trigger a General Election. The new law means that the sort of no-confidence vote that brought down Jim Callaghan in 1979 can never happen again, a grave blow to our freedom.

So Mr Cameron will be able to stay at Downing Street at the head of a minority Tory Government.

There IMO have been many "made up rows" between Camer-con and Clegg the saffron blue.

well pointed out Mel, sad but true may I add

Phil Hornby wrote:(msn)

" I say - do you think that nice Mr Cameron is going to jump naked out of the cake...?!"

Is this before Cameron jumps out of the cake Phil ha ha ha

astra wrote:Do Tory politicians HAVE souls?

They tried to sell them to the Devil: he fell about laughing!

Ivanhoe wrote:

bobby wrote:Ivanhoe wrote.. I blame the people. Yes I mean it. We do get the politicians we deserve.

But oddly enough I dont blame Clegg. The British public pushed Clegg to do what he did.

Are you for real Ivanhoe. The people that voted for the Lib-Dems had absolutely no idea that Clegg would end up as such a comfy bed fellow to the despicable Tory Party. The people read on the Lib-Dem Posters, Vote Lib-Dem to keep the Tory’s out. At the Tripartite TV debates Clegg constantly criticised Herr Cameron, and no one but the dirty turn coats knew what was happening till the bum burger Laws and his sheeple came out to announce it to the public. In fact most of the people I spoke to from all parties, though a deal would be done with Labour, but the Tory’s where prepared to sell their souls for a lot less than was Labour.

bobby, the British in their wisdom ( joke ), created a hung Parliament, leaving Clegg to form solid government, "New" Labour under Gordon Brown lost the G/E, so you tell me what else Nick Clegg could have done ?

Ivanhoe bobby has a good point I know Clegg lied to the British Public to get our votes but he left his parties Ideals and policies just for a bit of power which the Tory party have not given them, you ask what could of Clegg done not joined the coalition but said they would help in return for some of there policies onto the statue books they may have not suffered in every By-Election since May 2010 you know the Lib/Dems are hated by the entire UK, and suffer more in the up coming Mayoral and local Election and maybe then they may sit up and take notice of what the great British public are saying if not sooner like this weekend at the Lib/Dem Spring Conference?

Alex Hilton - formerly editor of Recess Monkey and Labour Home, and Labour's candidate in Kensington and Chelsea at the last election - has written an open letter on Labour List to Ed Miliband in which he addresses his leader as follows:
• "Because you believe in power over principle, you can’t tell the difference between vision and triangulation."
• My problem is that you are not a leader. You are not articulating a vision or a destination, you’re not clearly identifying a course and no-one’s following you."
• "There’s at least a hundred Labour MPs who couldn’t do a worse job than you."
• "Your leadership has shown me how lacking in vision you and Ed Balls are in particular but your team is in general."
• "I have come to fear that you might actually win the next general election."
He also writes about Labour as follows:
• "I no longer have any faith that the Labour Party will make a better society – or even wants to do so."
• "We’re an illiberal elitist capitalist party with no taste for democracy and a misplaced belief that the masses are better off in our care than that of other parties." • "The Labour party stands for its leader and his interests first. Then it stands for its MPs and securing their jobs as best as possible. It stands for the union general secretaries (but not their members) just enough to keep them affiliated. After that it stands for swing voters in marginal seats and the media proprietors who can influence them. After that, if we’re lucky, we get to do something for the people for whom the party was created."
• I’m not sure whether your departure would really make a difference to this. Would the next leadership election deliver us a leader or just another functionary fearful of his or her vulnerability and incapable of inspiring?
• So what am I asking you to do? To prove me wrong maybe? To resign? To be honest I don’t particularly care anymore.

To be honest I don’t particularly care anymore.

Welcome to The Club, mate.

Exactly the same can be said of the Tories only substitute business & bankers for union. With the LibDems substitute europe for business. Not one party since Wilson has even bothered to think about the public and that includes Tory Blair!
We need a cross party coalition that will do something for the good of the country and the people that belong there!

Nick Clegg is a career politician pure and simple , watch him at PMQs and he looks at times like a man haunted , he doesn't laugh along when Cameron makes a funny retort that has the tories wetting there pants with laughter , he knows how disliked he is by UK voters and LibDem party members have been deserting in there droves because of his flip flopping antics. Cameron, give him a safe tory seat and welcome him into the bosom of vipers .

We need a cross party coalition that will do something for the good of the country and the people that belong there

Rollo....I echo this idea. Even as a Tory I recognise Labour are better at handling some things than the Torys

blueturando wrote:Alex Hilton - formerly editor of Recess Monkey and Labour Home, and Labour's candidate in Kensington and Chelsea at the last election - has written an open letter on Labour List to Ed Miliband in which he addresses his leader as follows:
• "Because you believe in power over principle, you can’t tell the difference between vision and triangulation."
• My problem is that you are not a leader. You are not articulating a vision or a destination, you’re not clearly identifying a course and no-one’s following you."
• "There’s at least a hundred Labour MPs who couldn’t do a worse job than you."
• "Your leadership has shown me how lacking in vision you and Ed Balls are in particular but your team is in general."
• "I have come to fear that you might actually win the next general election."
He also writes about Labour as follows:
• "I no longer have any faith that the Labour Party will make a better society – or even wants to do so."
• "We’re an illiberal elitist capitalist party with no taste for democracy and a misplaced belief that the masses are better off in our care than that of other parties." • "The Labour party stands for its leader and his interests first. Then it stands for its MPs and securing their jobs as best as possible. It stands for the union general secretaries (but not their members) just enough to keep them affiliated. After that it stands for swing voters in marginal seats and the media proprietors who can influence them. After that, if we’re lucky, we get to do something for the people for whom the party was created."
• I’m not sure whether your departure would really make a difference to this. Would the next leadership election deliver us a leader or just another functionary fearful of his or her vulnerability and incapable of inspiring?
• So what am I asking you to do? To prove me wrong maybe? To resign? To be honest I don’t particularly care anymore.

ah good news its all coming via Alex Hilton...god had me dead worried it was someone who was serious

astra wrote:Doin' fine Bobby ta!

The Chemo is doing it's stuff just now so thankful for that. Funny how what was so frightening not so long ago has become part of living. Probably for another thread, but wot the eck!

How you doing yourself?

Hi astra I knew you had been unwell but did not know it was really serious and Im glad your coping and doing well keep up the good work and get yourself fully fit we need you to fight the A**E H**ES of a what calls itself the UK Gov't.

Scarecrow wrote:Nick Clegg is a career politician pure and simple , watch him at PMQs and he looks at times like a man haunted , he doesn't laugh along when Cameron makes a funny retort that has the tories wetting there pants with laughter , he knows how disliked he is by UK voters and LibDem party members have been deserting in there droves because of his flip flopping antics. Cameron, give him a safe tory seat and welcome him into the bosom of vipers .

I agree with your post SC when he sits next to Scam..er..on you would think he had lost a tanner and found a penny, just in case you do not know Clegg and the rest of the Lib/Dems are going to vote through the NHS Bill so wave bye bye to the NHS as we know it and when its too late and some one asks him why he let the Tories privatize our NHS they will say there usual war cry we where the junior partener in the coalition but they will be just as guilty as the Tories and i for one will never let them forget it

The NHS Bill is the stick which Labour will use to beat the Tories and their parasites with during the next General Election.

Bring it on!

I hope you are correct OW. However, now that dear Shirley Williams has saved BLUE Clegg's bacon, hence the LD'S will give the nod to the Tories to steam ahead with this evil health reform bill.

Mel wrote:I hope you are correct OW. However, now that dear Shirley Williams has saved BLUE Clegg's bacon, hence the LD'S will give the nod to the Tories to steam ahead with this evil health reform bill.

Shirley Williams has no integrity whatsoever.

I seem to notice that DOCTOR david owen is keeping schtume!

Mel wrote:I hope you are correct OW. However, now that dear Shirley Williams has saved BLUE Clegg's bacon, hence the LD'S will give the nod to the Tories to steam ahead with this evil health reform bill.

Hi Mel
its my view the Tories and LD/s will pay a far greater price for this than they think

Ivanhoe wrote:

Mel wrote:I hope you are correct OW. However, now that dear Shirley Williams has saved BLUE Clegg's bacon, hence the LD'S will give the nod to the Tories to steam ahead with this evil health reform bill.

Shirley Williams has no integrity whatsoever.

could not agree more with you...She was never up to much in the first place..no wonder the LD think she is great...

astra wrote:Doin' fine Bobby ta!

The Chemo is doing it's stuff just now so thankful for that. Funny how what was so frightening not so long ago has become part of living. Probably for another thread, but wot the eck!

How you doing yourself?

Hi astra
all the best with your Chemo..lets hope it all works out well for you...I am sure it will

On Tue March the 6th (above) I wrote:

"My gut feeling is that given time, when the NHS reforms sink into the mindset of the British public, then Labour should move ahead"

This mornings YouGov poll for the Sunday Times shows another 5 point lead for Labour, all indications are that Labour have now clearly moved ahead, bringing the neck and neck polls to an end.

A general election based on this weeks main opinion polls would see a Labour majority of about 62, with the Lib Dems been the biggest losers.
But worth bearing in mind is the fact that even at neck and neck, the Labour Party would be the largest party.

All I would like to see now is for Mr Miliband and his team to make the most of their clear advantage and keep the momentum going.