How long do you think the coalition will last?

by Ivanhoe Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:28 am

First topic message reminder :

I want people's opinion of how long they think this coalition will last. ?

by Redflag Tue May 15, 2012 8:27 am

Ivan wrote:Clegg and Cameron's cruellest day

Extracts from an article by Polly Toynbee:-

"This government's blend of incompetence and ideological rigidity would be a fascinating spectacle if we were distant bystanders. The bungling and dogmatism are unrivalled in postwar Britain.

Iain Duncan Smith seems to enjoy shocking ‘Telegraph’ readers with a boast that half a million people will lose disability living allowances: thalidomide victims and servicemen who have lost limbs may not qualify. All will undergo new tests: "They were just allowed to fester", he says. Exactly £2.24bn will be saved, so he must have preordained the number who must fail.

Nick Clegg makes yet another speech claiming to promote social mobility, despite myriad policies to the contrary. Does it fool any of the people any of the time?

Cameron will meet Mitt Romney as a candidate, having snubbed Francois Hollande. Boris Johnson calls for a Tory – "someone who is free market" – to be BBC director general, setting a terrible precedent by making it a political post. Whatever they do, the crass and the cruel collide with cuts designed to diminish the state for ever.

Try though Osborne did to frighten the markets with the comparison, luckily we are not Greece. We have choices. We need not cut so deep, we can borrow to invest, as Blair, Mandelson and Darling now join forces with the two Eds to urge. Business is protesting at scorched earth austerity after two years of failure, and Labour policies for investment in growth now look mainstream, while Tory austerity looks extreme."

For the full article:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/14/clegg-cameron-cruellest-business-disabled

Ivan I think most of us knew what Polly Toynbee has said in her column, that is why I joined the Labour party in 2010, after going through what Thatcher done to the UK sold off all our public assets sold the council houses put Millions on the dole then had the cheek to say it was a price worth paying, but Scam..er..on is worse than old Maggot the witch there will be one piece of good that will come out of this the Tories will have to keep there hands on there butts for a long time before they ever get back into power again, the L/Ds will be ANNIHILATED and will be a party of the past.

by Redflag Tue May 15, 2012 8:50 am

witchfinder wrote:Its difficult to predict what is going to happen, but I do believe that the NHS reforms are going to come back and haunt both Cameron and Clegg, and I believe that it could very well end up been David Camerons "poll tax".

The next political milestone in this unholy alliance will be the local elections in May, in which the Lib Dems will get a very bloody nose, losing many council seats and councils, the tories will do badly but not as disasterous as the Lib Dems, Labour will do well.

As for the minority parties, the BNP is all but finished - the Greens will probably do a bit better than normal as quite a few former Lib Dem voters will support them, and UKIP could push the Lib Dems into 4th in many areas.

After the elections in May, will there be rebellion amongst the Lib Dems ?

We now know how the locals went Tories lost 428 council seats the L/Ds lost 330 Labour gained 800 seats, and best of all WF we got TWO councillors in Scam..er..ons constituency, he must of been having a several Hissy fits over that one hell mend him have not seen much from the L/D MPs you would have thought after that the penny would have dropped that there party was heading for the scrap heap.

by Mel Tue May 15, 2012 9:10 am

Hello Red.

It's that turncoat Glegg that is the problem. The penny has dropped for him but he chooses to ignore it for his own personal gain and nothing else.

by Mel Tue May 15, 2012 9:15 am

I totally agree with you Red. The shame of it is in the meantime all those poor sods on DLA will suffer and we can do nothing about it and the bastards know it.

by Redflag Tue May 15, 2012 11:35 am

Mel wrote:I totally agree with you Red. The shame of it is in the meantime all those poor sods on DLA will suffer and we can do nothing about it and the bastards know it.

I know where your coming from Mel, but I would not say there is nothing we can do, the police are not allowed to strike and yet they did a protest march last week on there time off Im sure they had a lot better things to do on there day off but chose to protest at this gov't, plus the soldiers that are coming back with limbs missing are getting there DLA taken off them and they are not too happy, I can see a peoples general strike on the horizon and that in its self could be used to call for a G. E.

by Redflag Tue May 15, 2012 11:45 am

Mel wrote:Hello Red.

It's that turncoat Glegg that is the problem. The penny has dropped for him but he chooses to ignore it for his own personal gain and nothing else.

Hi Mel

We all know that both Cleggy and Scam..er..on are in it for what they can get, but what about the minows (L/D MPs) what would happen if they crossed the floor of the H.O.C. either into the Labour party or stand as an Independent MP, it would not matter it would leave Cleggy with about 4-5 MPs that would turn Tory, which maybe would leave them without a majority in the House.

by Mel Tue May 15, 2012 12:44 pm

I really hope you are correct Red.

by sickchip Tue May 15, 2012 12:45 pm

The word is the coalition want to introduce /levy charges for education for your children.......across the board in all schools - from infants onwards. Education will no longer be given for free. The proposal is only on the table at the moment; but if they go ahead with it, surely that would be the end for the coalition.........or would the docile british public simply accept it, like they do every other injustice?

It seems they don't even want to educate your kids now....unless you splash the cash.

by Adele Carlyon Tue May 15, 2012 4:21 pm

Well if that happens I think you'll see some people get off their lard arses! They're already whipping funding away left right and centre, and they want to do away with special needs statements. Do they give a shit about anything only money?
The misery they are spreading should shame them, but instead they posively gloat, as if they're doing the working classes some big favour. Jeez, I dunno!

by witchfinder Tue May 15, 2012 4:36 pm

There is some evidence that the gap in the opinion polls is begining to widen, a YouGov poll for The Sun yesterday put the gap between Conservative and Labour at 14 points.

Personaly I now believe that something called "The NHS Factor" is playing a significant part in the opinion polls, the public can sense the reforms are bad, and that the NHS is now begining to deteriorate, which of course it is.

If it were simply Conservative versus Labour, then the public would be wary, or unsure at the very least, but almost every professional body within the health service has spoken out against Lansleys reforms, morale in our hospitals is going down sharply, waiting lists are on the rise again.
The British public know that all is not well within the NHS, the predictions that this would be David Camerons "Poll Tax" is coming true.

From a political point of view, #well you can knock me down, step in my face, slander my name all over the place, do anything that you want to do, but honey, lay off my NHS#

I personaly cannot see any way back now for the coalition, even with three years yet to go, unless the savings, staff cuts, privatization and rising waiting lists are reversed - can anyone see that happening. ?

by Redflag Tue May 15, 2012 4:42 pm

Adele Carlyon wrote:Well if that happens I think you'll see some people get off their lard arses! They're already whipping funding away left right and centre, and they want to do away with special needs statements. Do they give a shit about anything only money?
The misery they are spreading should shame them, but instead they posively gloat, as if they're doing the working classes some big favour. Jeez, I dunno!

The reason for that Adele is they do not give a damn, they know what there doing and hope in a sick way that we will vote them back into office just like we did with Thatcher after the "Poll Tax"because even that puzzled me.

by Adele Carlyon Tue May 15, 2012 5:24 pm

I hope it is the NHS that finishes the shitty little gits off once and for all! Some things are sacred, they really don't seem to have budgeted for that. And when the public start to see first hand that people are being treated on trolley's again, well I think they won't tolerate it. This coalition's sheer arrogance and nastiness will go down in history. It's like the head master lauding it over a class room full of children. But all it takes is for one brave pupil to give him a running kick in the shins, then the rest will join in! I predict a riot before school closes, it's coming, mark my words!

by oftenwrong Tue May 15, 2012 5:43 pm

Cameron/Clegg/Osborne might quite like to see a collapse of the Euro, to take the newspaper headlines off their personal inadequacies.

by jackthelad Tue May 15, 2012 5:54 pm

Well, my opinion they will be in long enough to do a lot of damage, they will certainly be not be wanting to win the next elections. Not that there is a cat in hells chance of either party doing that.

by tlttf Tue May 15, 2012 6:26 pm

Well the Euro is collapsing, Greece is having to have a new election, meanwhile whether you agree or disagree (yes I believe they're nearly as corrupt as their predecessors) Britain is surviving a European turmoil because of the policies in place. Meanwhile having listened to Cambell at the Leviston enquiry, well a sharp reminder of just what the mindless f*cks want to bring back!

by tlttf Tue May 15, 2012 6:32 pm

Gosh isnt it getting exciting, roll on 2015 till the next election.

by oftenwrong Tue May 15, 2012 7:33 pm

a sharp reminder
What is it that some people might want to bring back? The indelible lesson of Blair's 1997 landslide is that nobody wanted to "go back" to the disastrous election defeats of Neil Kinnock or Michael Foot before him. Gordon Brown was an error in a time-warp, and having spent so much time coveting the position of Tony Blair, funked calling an election which he might well have won.

The current Labour Party are in an extraordinarily good position. They are Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition to a Coalition which is universally loathed, and has little prospect of enjoying a second term.

Patience is the only requirement, apart from a little assistance from Lady Luck, who hasn't disappointed Labour recently.

by oftenwrong Tue May 15, 2012 7:40 pm

Tories widely believe that the outgoing Socialist government deliberately trashed the place in 2010.

They now have three years in which to plan their revenge.

Be afraid. Be VERY afraid.

by sampbang Tue May 15, 2012 7:51 pm

I'd like to see the coalition split sooner rather than later, and a general election called, but I thinks it's wishful thinking. If Handpuppet Clegg split now, it would be disastrous, LibDems would be a fringe party, a few seats at most, hopefully this will carry over until the next general election.

Another policy which has been discussed, whether it will come into fruition is another thing, but if it did, I think it would finish the coalition off once and for all, there have been discussions about scrapping housing benefit for all under 25. So if your not working, and under 25, back home to Mum and Dad it is. The article is from the beginning of April, but it gives an insight into this parasitic governments ideas:

Housing charities and campaign groups have been outraged by an idea floated by Downing Street to strip housing benefits from under-25s and make them move in with "mum and dad" as a way to "make work pay" and save the UK from growing welfare expenditure.

Full article here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/apr/05/housing-benefit-cut-young-people

(Here's a track I found by Lux Lisbon - Bullingdon boys, very apt at the moment, and a funny video too https://youtu.be/5esbUG4bslQ )

by **Phil Hornby** Tue May 15, 2012 8:24 pm

An election before 2015 would only depirive us all ( well. almost all!) of the pleasure of watching Cameron, Clegg and the assorted supporting vermin squirming from one embarrassment to another as they stumble onwards to oblivion... cheers

by witchfinder Tue May 15, 2012 9:44 pm

The crisis within the Eurozone provides the government, particularly Osborne with another excuse for the appauling mess that the UK economy is in, except that those of us with more than an ounce of intelligence realize that the economy was in a better condition in April 2010, and that both France and Germany are ahead of us.

The economy of the UK is officialy back in recession - the Eurozone is not in recession, I rather think its here where the crisis is, not accross the channel.

by sampbang Tue May 15, 2012 9:50 pm

witchfinder wrote:

The economy of the UK is officialy back in recession - the Eurozone is not in recession, I rather think its here where the crisis is, not accross the channel.

And with this bunch of hapless airheads in for another 3 years and no plan b, it's a very scary and bleak future we have to look forward to.

by Mel Wed May 16, 2012 12:24 pm

tlttf wrote:Well the Euro is collapsing, Greece is having to have a new election, meanwhile whether you agree or disagree (yes I believe they're nearly as corrupt as their predecessors) Britain is surviving a European turmoil because of the policies in place. Meanwhile having listened to Cambell at the Leviston enquiry, well a sharp reminder of just what the mindless f*cks want to bring back!

I thought Cambell was exellent at the LEVESON (Who is "Leviston"?) enquiry, just as he was when he was advising Tony Blair the best PM this country has ever seen.

The "mindless f*cks". Do you mean those who voted this lot in as you did tlttf?? Mad

by Mel Wed May 16, 2012 12:31 pm

Witchfinder "The crisis within the Eurozone provides the government, particularly Osborne with another excuse for the appauling mess that the UK economy is in"

100% correct Witchfinder. Wait for it to be announced at every conceivable oppoptunity that presents itself. The Tories were good at brainwashing before the election. Can they continue with that theme and expect to be believed ?.

by Mel Wed May 16, 2012 12:37 pm

tlttf wrote:Gosh isnt it getting exciting, roll on 2015 till the next election.

Don't wet your knickers over it old boy. clown

by Redflag Wed May 16, 2012 7:04 pm

tlttf wrote:Gosh isnt it getting exciting, roll on 2015 till the next election.

We all are saying that tittf because this Incompetent Tory gov't is going to cure the UK of one of its ailments, not voting in any election not in 2015 but there will be rushing in there hoards to the polling stations to vote this lot of Incompetent A**E H**ES out for a very long time. LAUGH OUT LOUD

by Redflag Wed May 16, 2012 7:09 pm

tlttf wrote:Well the Euro is collapsing, Greece is having to have a new election, meanwhile whether you agree or disagree (yes I believe they're nearly as corrupt as their predecessors) Britain is surviving a European turmoil because of the policies in place. Meanwhile having listened to Cambell at the Leviston enquiry, well a sharp reminder of just what the mindless f*cks want to bring back!

The only mindless FCUKS is the shower in power at the moment, and just remember we have yet to hear from Hunt the Cnut wonder what fcuking LIES he will tell the mind boggles I will be listening and laughing at the fables he will tell the Leveson inquiry. clown

by Redflag Wed May 16, 2012 7:15 pm

Mel wrote:
tlttf wrote:Well the Euro is collapsing, Greece is having to have a new election, meanwhile whether you agree or disagree (yes I believe they're nearly as corrupt as their predecessors) Britain is surviving a European turmoil because of the policies in place. Meanwhile having listened to Cambell at the Leviston enquiry, well a sharp reminder of just what the mindless f*cks want to bring back!

I thought Cambell was exellent at the LEVESON (Who is "Leviston"?) enquiry, just as he was when he was advising Tony Blair the best PM this country has ever seen.

The "mindless f*cks". Do you mean those who voted this lot in as you did tlttf??

It more than likely that your right Mel just another Tory A**E H**E, I only hope he is prepared to pay the price that we are now when we get a Labour Gov't in power.

by **Ivan** Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:20 pm

"37 coalition climbdowns, u-turns and row backs"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9617519/37-coalition-climbdowns-u-turns-and-row-backs.html

by oftenwrong Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:04 pm

(Michael White in Monday's Guardian)

Much of government is about authority, which, once lost, usually stays lost. Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair both had a good run before losing their mojos, as John Major did not, losing it after two years over the sterling crisis, and Gordon Brown didn't either: losing it within three months over that botched 2007 election.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2012/oct/22/david-cameron-smack-firm-government

by Tosh Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:22 am

" What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass. "

No, I did not steal this from oftenwrong.

by oftenwrong Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:26 am

Certainly not sired by my keyboard, so if it wasn't Rodney from "Fools and Horses" it must have been Lord Melbourne (1779 to 1848, Queen Victoria's favourite PM) who said it.

by Redflag Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:04 am

sampbang wrote:I'd like to see the coalition split sooner rather than later, and a general election called, but I thinks it's wishful thinking. If Handpuppet Clegg split now, it would be disastrous, LibDems would be a fringe party, a few seats at most, hopefully this will carry over until the next general election.

Another policy which has been discussed, whether it will come into fruition is another thing, but if it did, I think it would finish the coalition off once and for all, there have been discussions about scrapping housing benefit for all under 25. So if your not working, and under 25, back home to Mum and Dad it is. The article is from the beginning of April, but it gives an insight into this parasitic governments ideas:

Housing charities and campaign groups have been outraged by an idea floated by Downing Street to strip housing benefits from under-25s and make them move in with "mum and dad" as a way to "make work pay" and save the UK from growing welfare expenditure.

Full article here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/apr/05/housing-benefit-cut-young-people

(Here's a track I found by Lux Lisbon - Bullingdon boys, very apt at the moment, and a funny video too https://youtu.be/5esbUG4bslQ )

I with you sampbang the policy you are talking about comes into effect in April 2013, and then the 25-35 will have to go back and live with mum & dad if they have parents what will happen to the ones that have no parents "HOSTELS" if this does not give the UK public a good shake nothing will. Its the same with the bedroom tax this gov't are saying if you have a spare bedroom let it out to a single person my council "Does not ALLOW you to rent out any part of your council house and that is in our tenancy agreement, so this gov't is telling people to break there tenancy agreements in other words break the law, is there any other council that forbids the letting of rooms please let me know.

by Redflag Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:05 am

sampbang wrote:I'd like to see the coalition split sooner rather than later, and a general election called, but I thinks it's wishful thinking. If Handpuppet Clegg split now, it would be disastrous, LibDems would be a fringe party, a few seats at most, hopefully this will carry over until the next general election.

Another policy which has been discussed, whether it will come into fruition is another thing, but if it did, I think it would finish the coalition off once and for all, there have been discussions about scrapping housing benefit for all under 25. So if your not working, and under 25, back home to Mum and Dad it is. The article is from the beginning of April, but it gives an insight into this parasitic governments ideas:

Housing charities and campaign groups have been outraged by an idea floated by Downing Street to strip housing benefits from under-25s and make them move in with "mum and dad" as a way to "make work pay" and save the UK from growing welfare expenditure.

Full article here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/apr/05/housing-benefit-cut-young-people

(Here's a track I found by Lux Lisbon - Bullingdon boys, very apt at the moment, and a funny video too https://youtu.be/5esbUG4bslQ )

I with you sampbang the policy you are talking about comes into effect in April 2013, and then the 25-35 will have to go back and live with mum & dad if they have parents what will happen to the ones that have no parents "HOSTELS" if this does not give the UK public a good shake nothing will. Its the same with the bedroom tax this gov't are saying if you have a spare bedroom let it out to a single person my council "Does not ALLOW you to rent out any part of your council house and that is in our tenancy agreement, so this gov't is telling people to break there tenancy agreements in other words break the law, is there any other council that forbids the letting of rooms please let me know.

by oftenwrong Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:30 pm

" So if your not working, and under 25, back home to Mum and Dad it is. The article .... gives an insight into this parasitic governments ideas."

Just as you think that this government could not be more shameless, they prove their contempt for the rest of us: The current good idea is to abolish the requirement for new-build-housing to incorporate provision for the disabled.

Kick away their crutches and dock their benefits for being presumptious!

by Tosh Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:22 pm

" So if your not working, and under 25, back home to Mum and Dad it is. The article .... gives an insight into this parasitic governments ideas."

Any person under 25 who leaves home without any means of support is either a parasite or a retard, anyone who thinks otherwise has no insight into the concept of personal responsibility.

by **Ivan** Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:49 pm

Any person under 25 who leaves home without any means of support is either a parasite or a retard, anyone who thinks otherwise has no insight into the concept of personal responsibility.

Tosh. You're beginning to sound like a preacher - ever thought of joining a church and making your pronouncements from a pulpit?

Since I know you like anecdotes - I knew a girl whose father told her, on her 18th birthday, that she was an adult and had to leave home.

This vicious government is demanding that under-25s - many of whom have families - return to their parents. But what if the parents don't want them back, or if they've moved to a bungalow in Eastbourne and don't have room for them?

by bobby Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:58 pm

Ivan said:-
Since I know you like anecdotes - I knew a girl whose father told her, on her 18th birthday, that she was an adult and had to leave home.

This vicious government is demanding that under-25s - many of whom have families - return to their parents. But what if the parents don't want them back, or if they've moved to a bungalow in Eastbourne and don't have room for them?

The answer must be for Herr Cameron to ask the monkey what to do, it seems to have all the answers.

by Redflag Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:21 am

bobby wrote:
Ivan said:-
Since I know you like anecdotes - I knew a girl whose father told her, on her 18th birthday, that she was an adult and had to leave home.

This vicious government is demanding that under-25s - many of whom have families - return to their parents. But what if the parents don't want them back, or if they've moved to a bungalow in Eastbourne and don't have room for them?
The answer must be for Herr Cameron to ask the monkey what to do, it seems to have all the answers.

Did you not know bobby Herr Scam..er..on already does ask the monkey what to do lol!

that is why we have so much INCOMPETENCE within this gov't.

by Tosh Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:38 am

This vicious government is demanding that under-25s - many of whom have families - return to their parents. But what if the parents don't want them back, or if they've moved to a bungalow in Eastbourne and don't have room for them?.

If anyone under 25 has left home and had kids with no means of support then they are a parasite or a retard, if parents want to throw out their kids before they can support themselves then they can support them not me.

Since when did this nation promote an absence of personal responsibility, housing for under 25s without any means of support should be for exceptional cases only, not the status quo.

by tlttf Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:54 am

Great post Tosh though you'll no doubt be castigated for posting it. When did it become the taxpayers responsibility to support those that have no wish to support themselves or their family?

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