Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?

by **astradt1** Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:59 pm

First topic message reminder :

We seem to have had a thread about Milliband and time running out for his leadership but now there seem to be more and more knives coming out for Vatman and Dobbing, I'll let you decide who is who?

It now seems more and more of their own side (Tory MP's) are openly speaking out against them........

Latest...

Nadine Dorries: David Cameron And George Osborne Are 'Arrogant Posh Boys'

David Cameron and George Osborne are "arrogant posh boys" who do not understand the lives of ordinary people, according to Tory MP Nadine Dorries.

Speaking on the BBC's Daily Politics programme on Monday, the MP for Mid-Bedfordshire was asked if she thought the prime minister and chancellor were out of touch with voters.

"Unfortunately I think that not are only Cameron and Osborne two posh boys who don't understand the price of milk," she said. "They are too arrogant posh boys who show no remorse, no contrition and no passion to want to understand the lives of others - and that is their real crime."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/23/nadine-dorries-david-cameron-posh-boys_n_1445068.html?ref=uk-politics&ref=uk

by Mel Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:22 am

Well then Tosh, if you keep your nose clean and behave yourself, then I shall not be inconvienienced in having to pull you up.

In your case I had given you a little rope before this episode, as I do with any other poster. You unfortunately by your own doing ran out of rope.

by **astradt1** Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:19 am

14 TORY MPS’ PLOT TO OUST DAVID CAMERON

TORY plotting against David Cameron appeared to be gathering pace last night after 14 MPs were reported to have demanded a party leadership contest.
Westminster sources said the rebels had written to Graham Brady, chairman of the 1922 Committee of backbench Tories, to call for a vote of no confidence in Mr Cameron.

The figure is far short of the 46 names, 15% of the Parliamentary Tory party, needed to trigger a vote.

But the reports intensified fears that a number of Right-wing Tories disgruntled with Coalition compromises are determined to destabilise the Prime Minister.

Discontent has spread after a number of Tories were disappointed by the outcome of the recent government reshuffle.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/345882/14-Tory-MPs-plot-to-oust-David-Cameron

Only another 32 to go.................

by Mel Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:46 am

Oh let it be soon!!!!! astradt

by Redflag Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:13 pm

Mel wrote:Oh let it be soon!!!!! astradt

Mel you should remember what happened to the Maggot even though they Tory party had her on a pedestal high enough so that she could not fall, and look what the Tories done to her in the end up "They made her Cry" silly old fool.

by **Phil Hornby** Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:46 pm

Such is the nature of their twisted Tory minds that I suspect there are - even now- those within the Poisonous Party who would support a return for Dribbling Margaret to bring some extra much-desired spite to the Conservative cause.

It appears that Cameron just isn't quite cruel enough to satisfy the insatiable lust of the underpant-wetting Tory enthusiasts for unspeakably-nasty policies to keep the unworthy poor in their rightful place.

Bring on the tyrant Thatcher just one more time...! pig

by Mel Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:05 pm

Hello Phil,

I understand that she keeps dripping. In the cupboard or something else? Very Happy

by Tosh Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:47 pm

Do not be so cock sure that Scots will vote yes we are pretty savvy in Scotland and will not jump from the frying pan into the fire, at the moment the polls are against the SNP getting a majority.

I do not know who are the royal " we " you are refering to , but it can't be the same " we " who annihilated Labour in the last Scottish election.

As for the monetary system IF we are still in the EU after the referendum we have to take the Euro and that was created for the benefit of Germany ONLY,

Absolute tosh.

by Tosh Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:49 pm

Well then Tosh, if you keep your nose clean and behave yourself, then I shall not be inconvienienced in having to pull you up.

by oftenwrong Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:11 pm

Which may be the greatest failure to understand a message since Fred Perry in 1936.

by Tosh Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:21 pm

Which may be the greatest failure to understand a message since Fred Perry in 1936..

You are more often wrong than your nomenclature suggests.

by **Phil Hornby** Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:43 pm

There's nothing quite so amusing as a chap who willingly paints a target on himself, supplemented by the legend " Aim Here"... Very Happy

by Tosh Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:50 pm

There's nothing quite so amusing as a chap who willingly paints a target on himself, supplemented by the legend " Aim Here"... .

I am innocent and lovely, you bad man.

by Redflag Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:16 pm

Tosh wrote:
Do I detect a climedown here Tosh? For someone who does not wish to discuss the "past" you take the biscuit.

Establishing facts in politics is an exercise in futility, at the end of the day good ideas last longer than bad ideas, meme evolution as against gene evolution. I do not consider capitalism to be a disease nor socialism the cure, the remedy is somewhere in the middle and probably speaks German or Swedish. Thatcher did some good and some bad, it depends on ones personal perspective, I noticed Labour repealed few if any of her laws and policies.

Stay sceptical and distrust all politicians, especially the ideologues, they are lying the most. I find it hard to remain passionate about politics, my cynicism of human nature has curbed my enthusiasm.

Some people have every cause to hate Thatcher and some to thank her, I am ambivalent, we all make mistakes for what we believe to be the right reasons.

You say your not passionate about politics, and yet you sing the praises of the SNP and freedom for the Scots. Me thinks you protest too much and are very sparse with the full truth.

by Tosh Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:50 pm

You say your not passionate about politics, and yet you sing the praises of the SNP and freedom for the Scots. Me thinks you protest too much and are very sparse with the full truth. .

My rational mind chooses self-determination as a natural progression of growing up, it matters not to me if I am " better off financially" with independance. I am not anti-British nor anti-English, I am pro-Scottish, I simply wish my culture to determine its own direction , think of it more as pragmatism than passion.

by oftenwrong Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:58 pm

But still UKIP, Tosh?

by Mel Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:39 pm

"But still UKIP, Tosh?"

I wish he would KIP and give me a break Very Happy

by Tosh Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:23 pm

But still UKIP, Tosh?.

But still UKIP nothing, oftenwrong.

by Tosh Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:25 pm

I wish he would KIP and give me a break

Mel, you are not the funniest stand up I have ever read, by some margin.

Any autism in the old family tree ?

by Redflag Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:38 am

Tosh wrote:
Do not be so cock sure that Scots will vote yes we are pretty savvy in Scotland and will not jump from the frying pan into the fire, at the moment the polls are against the SNP getting a majority.

I do not know who are the royal " we " you are refering to , but it can't be the same " we " who annihilated Labour in the last Scottish election.

As for the monetary system IF we are still in the EU after the referendum we have to take the Euro and that was created for the benefit of Germany ONLY,

Absolute tosh.

The ENTIRE Scottish Population thats who tosh that WE, and if the SNP tried it now it would be they (SNP) that would get ANNIHILATED because the Scots have realized that its not First Minster that Salmond wants its First President and that is the only reason for the Referendum NOT for the Good of Scottish people.

As for the monetary system you remember what Thatcher done to Scotland because we did not vote Tory, only one Tory MP got in during her reign of terror and that annoyed her to say the least, so in retaliation we got the Poll tax first and a lot of good people ended up in prison along with criminal records. So if you think that Scam..er..on or Osbourn will allow Scotland to use the Bank of England as the Bank of last resort "Dream On", the only thing they will be thinking about is how to kick Salmond where it hurts the most, and that is to force him to take the EURO knowing the state that is in and still will be in 2014.

You need to put a halt to your SNP Ideology and start thinking for yourself "If that is possible" to me you sound too far gone. lol!

by Mel Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:03 am

"Mel, you are not the funniest stand up I have ever read, by some margin.

Any autism in the old family tree ?"

No autism here Jock. I did not beleive them when they said the Scots have no sense of humour, now I am left wondering.

In some cases it could be construed as having no sense and plenty of humour. On the other hand it could be the opposite or both, which is it I wonder? Smile

by Mel Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:08 am

David Cameron, the British Prime Minister, is a more hated figure than Egypt's Hosni Mubarak and Colonel Gadaffi of Libya, according to a recent poll.
According to the Social Media Observer, Cameron was "the most hated political leader of 2011 on social media [with] 68% of opinions posted on Twitter and Facebook [being] rabid expressions of hate for the British prime minister".
Referring to the findings, Linda Hoffman noted that while dictators tend to be unpopular on social-media outlets, "surprisingly some democratically elected leaders are more hated than the likes of Mubarak and Gaddafi".

Extract: http://digitaljournal.com/article/320326#ixzz26crqKDQd

by oftenwrong Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:23 pm

" Cameron was the most hated political leader of 2011."

.... and that was only within the Conservative Party ....

by Tosh Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:10 pm

The ENTIRE Scottish Population thats who tosh that WE, and if the SNP tried it now it would be they (SNP) that would get ANNIHILATED because the Scots have realized that its not First Minster that Salmond wants its First President and that is the only reason for the Referendum NOT for the Good of Scottish people.

You know nothing about my country, its culture , its people or its politics, you are screaming ignorance at the top of your voice. You do not have a crystal ball my friend, you do not know how a referendum would pan out and to suggest you do borders on the imbecilic.
As for the utter dross about Presidents etc, any independance formula incorporates the monarchy, please stop talking tosh.

As for the monetary system you remember what Thatcher done to Scotland because we did not vote Tory, only one Tory MP got in during her reign of terror and that annoyed her to say the least, so in retaliation we got the Poll tax first and a lot of good people ended up in prison along with criminal records. So if you think that Scam..er..on or Osbourn will allow Scotland to use the Bank of England as the Bank of last resort "Dream On", the only thing they will be thinking about is how to kick Salmond where it hurts the most, and that is to force him to take the EURO knowing the state that is in and still will be in 2014.

You are the calibre of Labour voter that has led to their downfall, I intend to ignore the sheer drivel about Thatcher and the revenge of the poll tax, its actualy beneath me.

Firstly Scotland has its own currency, it relationship to the BOE is neither necessary nor required, much like the currency of Norway, Sweden and Denmark.

Tell me why going into the Euro will be economically damaging now or in 2014, I will wait here.

by Tosh Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:13 pm

I did not beleive them when they said the Scots have no sense of humour, now I am left wondering.

Mel, you are just not funny, and I believe the Scots are more noted for their sense of humour than our Po-faced English cousins, hence I am an excellent judge of your comedic talents, they are zero.

by **Ivan** Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:47 pm

If I can just remind you all that this thread is supposed to be about whether the game might soon be up for Cameron and Osborne. If you want to discuss the issue of Scottish independence, please do so here:-

https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t164-is-the-united-kingdom-doomed

by Tosh Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:00 pm

If I can just remind you all that this thread is supposed to be about whether the game might soon be up for Cameron and Osborne.

Ok, where is the thread to discuss Mel's comedy talents ?

The coalition is up against the wrong Milliband, you can thank the unions for that.

by Redflag Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:58 am

Tosh wrote:
The ENTIRE Scottish Population thats who tosh that WE, and if the SNP tried it now it would be they (SNP) that would get ANNIHILATED because the Scots have realized that its not First Minster that Salmond wants its First President and that is the only reason for the Referendum NOT for the Good of Scottish people.

You know nothing about my country, its culture , its people or its politics, you are screaming ignorance at the top of your voice. You do not have a crystal ball my friend, you do not know how a referendum would pan out and to suggest you do borders on the imbecilic.
As for the utter dross about Presidents etc, any independance formula incorporates the monarchy, please stop talking tosh.

If you had read my posts properly you would have seen that I'm a Scot living in Glasgow or maybe you can not read ? so the only one screaming IGNORANCE is YOURSELF. I do know about the Scottish culture and its politics, did YOU know until about 50 years ago Scotland voted Tory and YES you are if you can reading correctly, and no I do not have a crystal ball but neither do you I am going by the polls and they show (at the moment) only a THIRD of Scots would vote YES to Independence. The only IMBECILIC thinking is from yourself.

As for the monetary system you remember what Thatcher done to Scotland because we did not vote Tory, only one Tory MP got in during her reign of terror and that annoyed her to say the least, so in retaliation we got the Poll tax first and a lot of good people ended up in prison along with criminal records. So if you think that Scam..er..on or Osbourn will allow Scotland to use the Bank of England as the Bank of last resort "Dream On", the only thing they will be thinking about is how to kick Salmond where it hurts the most, and that is to force him to take the EURO knowing the state that is in and still will be in 2014.

You are the calibre of Labour voter that has led to their downfall, I intend to ignore the sheer drivel about Thatcher and the revenge of the poll tax, its actualy beneath me.

Firstly Scotland has its own currency, it relationship to the BOE is neither necessary nor required, much like the currency of Norway, Sweden and Denmark.

Tell me why going into the Euro will be economically damaging now or in 2014, I will wait here.

Your calibre is that low in the scale its not worth talking about, as for downfalls the only people to suffer that fate would be the Scots by listening to the SNP, as for ignoring what Thatcher done that tells me you are too young to have lived through it, that is what Salmond is banking on to get Scots to Yes in the referendum, he thinks by Autumn 2014 with all the cuts Scam..er..on and Osbourn the people of Scotland will head for the EXIT Door and I just hope they will stop and think before voting Yes.

You show your ignorance by saying Scotland has its own currency it has not, our currency comes through the B.O.E just like Northern Ireland it is they that ISSUE OUR bank notes and if we want to have our own currency we will have to set up the Mechanism and since most banks in Scotland are in trouble and do not forget that one it was the B.O.E. that bailed them out, and part of that debt would be on Scotland's head before we start borrowing to keep things going in Scotland. Do you not listen to the news or read a newspaper (oh I forgot you can not read the written word) Spain Greece Portugal Italy and Southern Ireland are all suffering because of the Euro they where not checked properly by the EU they where too anxious to get European countries to sign up too the Euro, as I said in my earlier post it was set up to suit Germany ONLY.

So before you answer this post go read up on the Politics of the UK and Europe, and you will only have to go back until the UK joined in 1971, and get your mum to change your nappy maybe that is your problem your not sitting comfortably. lol!

by Mel Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:32 am

Well said Red although like me and others on this thread we have been driven off topic. As Ivan has requested we should be debating this Scottish theme on ----
https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t164-is-the-united-kingdom-doomed

by oftenwrong Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:57 am

Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?

I think that much depends upon the behaviour of the grass roots membership at the imminent Party Conferences. A mood of revolution could grasp either Tories or Libs, but my own feeling is that most will resist any temptation to rock the boat, as the outcome of a General Election is currently unknowable.

by **Ivan** Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:16 am

the outcome of a General Election is currently unknowable.

oftenwrong. Do you think so? The last time that a ruling party didn't decrease its share of the vote in subsequent elections was in 1974, and that was mainly because it had only been in office for seven months. As the Tories didn't win last time and with two-thirds of former Liberal Democrats switching their allegiance to Labour, the next election looks to me like a foregone conclusion - probably a re-run of 1997 and 2001.

by Mel Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:02 pm

At this moment in time Ivan and OW, I can envisage a Labour landslide.
That event is also my deepest hope of course.
The real problem as I see it is the damage that will be created during the remainder of these tyrants term of office.

by Tosh Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:16 pm

Spain Greece Portugal Italy and Southern Ireland are all suffering because of the Euro

Priceless.

The only thing preventing economic and socio-political collapse inthese countries is the Euro.

by Tosh Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:20 pm

if we want to have our own currency we will have to set up the Mechanism

Thank you for agreeing with me, please go away, I am losing my will to live conversing with you.

by Tosh Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:29 pm

At this moment in time Ivan and OW, I can envisage a Labour landslide.

Labour lost its mojo on the economy, as long as the economy is in trouble Labour stays in opposition, they may have a chance in 2018. It doesn't matter if the perfect economic storm was caused by Labour, the fact is, it was on their watch and they steered us straight into it.

Labour = bad economic management to many people, the fact the Tories would have fared no better is a mute point.

by oftenwrong Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:02 pm

" You say eether and I say either,
You say neether and I say neither
Either, either
Neither, neither
Let's call the whole thing off.

You like potato and I like potahto
You like tomato and I like tomahto
Potato, potahto,
Tomato, tomahto.
Let's call the whole thing off."

by Tosh Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:30 pm

* checks behind curtains and under the bed *.

Is " sage " a synonym for " failure " ?

by oftenwrong Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:49 pm

Excuse the delay in responding, but I was waiting for the usual little tail of afterthought postings. Such an amusing idiosyncracy.

Anyway, a failure should be able to identify another one without asking, surely?

Are Cameron and wotsisname's days numbered? I think they've got until 2015.

by **Phil Hornby** Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:54 pm

I always feel that a chap who consistently cannot even get his second serve into the court , should take up another sport.

New balls, please.... Very Happy

by Tosh Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:30 pm

Excuse the delay in responding, but I was waiting for the usual little tail of afterthought postings. Such an amusing idiosyncracy.

If you say so Colonel Conundrum, time for yet another one of your idiosyncratic copy/paste famous quotes...methinks lolol. Shocked

by Tosh Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:33 pm

I always feel that a chap who consistently cannot even get his second serve into the court , should take up another sport.

My oh my we have a dreamer here, to put it bluntly my friend there is no game you could beat me at, and bitching like my bitch does not alter this fact.

by Tosh Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:57 pm

It seems I have stumbled into some sycophantic mutual appreciation society with a Royal " we " status. king

Happy days are here again. cheers

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