Female human rights in Moslem cultures

by ROB Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:24 pm

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Female human rights in Moslem cultures

Responding here to this “thread” title (in “links”), these two phrases, “female human rights” and “Muslim cultures” are in many instances mutually exclusive.

Context: The most populous “Muslim” nation, Indonesia, in its key document affirms its creation and status as a non-Muslim nation. Perhaps that’s why Indonesia seems not a breeding ground for Islamafascist terrorist murderers.

In stark contrast, “Muslim” nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia intentionally deny unalienable human rights to females. The intentional tolerance of this female-enslaving culture in Western nations, carried out under the guise of “multiculturalism”, sows seeds for the destruction of these nations’ democracies from within. To tolerate evil is to support evil, whether that evil be “secular”, “religious”, or “cultural.”

Snowyflake is “on it”, committed to doing all she knows how to do to break the chains of slavery which allow Muslim women in “Muslim” nations to be raped, tortured, hacked into pieces, executed by hit squads on the streets (a common taliban action), tortured, imprisoned in their own homes and in state-supported prisons, stoned to death, and subjected to other nearly unspeakable and unconscionable acts of state-endorsed violence.

by stuart torr Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:49 pm

I do not think I need to oftenwrong as Islam have been involved in so many. 1)crusades 2)islam spain v portugal 3) indian subcontinent 4)west africa 5)caucasus 6)mahdistsin sudan 7)wahabbists 8)ottoman empire 9)afghanistan 10)algeria 11)china 12) the past holy wars...enough to convince you?

by oftenwrong Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:38 pm

I thought that blaming the victim was a modern phenomenom, stu, but most of your examples were reaction to provocation.

Anyway, see what you think about this explanation of the expression Dog-whistle racism:

http://www.islamonline.com/news/articles/98/Dog-Whistle-Politics-and-Anti-Muslim-Rhetoric.html

by boatlady Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:08 pm

Some interesting material there OW - bears thinking on.

by stuart torr Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:17 pm

My word oftenwrong, if it is actually used as a racist form of abuse then it is awful. Seeing as you have hand picked the article from an Islam paper/magazine, then there is some doubt about it as it would have been written by an Islamic person. The wars I QUOTED were not reaction to provocation, the provocation came from the Islams?

by oftenwrong Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:28 pm

stu wrote:My word oftenwrong, if it is actually used as a racist form of abuse then it is awful. Seeing as you have hand picked the article from an Islam paper/magazine, then there is some doubt about it as it would have been written by an Islamic person. The wars I QUOTED were not reaction to provocation, the provocation came from the Islams?

".... the article from an Islam paper/magazine, then there is some doubt about it as it would have been written by an Islamic person."

Point made, entirely.

by stuart torr Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:41 pm

Thats ok oftenwrong

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:40 pm

oftenwrong wrote:The origin of the species?

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-11/30/anti-muslim-influence-on-us-media

Fascists and racist always try and hijack anything and everything to push their own agenda. It behoves us all to be vigilant. I have little time for religion, and many facets of Islam in particular I find repulsive, but I can't abide racism or bigotry either. If I must judge anyone then I try and judge people as individuals based on their behaviour.

by stuart torr Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:52 pm

Hi Sheldon, the lady called snowyflake did warn me of him mate, a bit like bradders but posts no megatribes. Ie she did say he was as mad as an hatter

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:03 pm

oftenwrong wrote:I thought that blaming the victim was a modern phenomenom, stu, but most of your examples were reaction to provocation.

Anyway, see what you think about this explanation of the expression Dog-whistle racism:

http://www.islamonline.com/news/articles/98/Dog-Whistle-Politics-and-Anti-Muslim-Rhetoric.html

Whilst I don't doubt the validity of the claim the far right are exploiting a general unease over Muslim behaviour to promote their racist agenda, this does not in any way excuse the worst excesses of Islam, which has a fairly appalling record of human rights abuses. Most people are intelligent enough to know whether criticisms are valid or simply driven by bigotry and racism. Islam is a religion, not a race, and criticism or dislike of a religion does not equate to criticism or dislike of everyone who belongs to that religion.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:05 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Exchange the word Christianity for Islam in the above sentence for a clue, stu.

You're making the incorrect assumption that stu is favouring christianity over Islam, he's an atheist.

by stuart torr Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:09 pm

hi Sheldon he did say that I had made my point, and gave up after that regarding the wars etc.

by snowyflake Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:09 pm

Islamic ideology is not about the 'individual'. The individual does not figure in Islam. Everything is about Muslims and the Islamic faith. In some ways, the ideology is quite Communist given their views on money lending and capitalism (while they rake in trillions of oil money) and hypocrisy, like most religions. Women do not have a say in Islam and they are raised to accept this as 'natural'. Men are their keepers (not protectors). It is insidious brainwashing but that is their culture. That would be fine and ok if there wasn't a portion of them that were trying to kill us or convert us and shove Sharia law down our throats.

by AW Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:11 pm

oftenwrong wrote:there is some doubt about it as it would have been written by an Islamic person."

I doubt that actually.

The article will have been written by Bob Pitt. I knew the man some years ago. Back then he was a Trotskyist.

Now? Well that is anybody's guess.

The last job he had was working for Ken Livingston before he lost his place. A very clever man, but not a Muslim.

http://www.spittoon.org/archives/11161

http://edmundstanding.wordpress.com/islamophobia-watch-distorts-the-truth/

by stuart torr Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:25 pm

Hi Tony did this guy write about Islam a lot then? as this seems a regular Islamic magazine/newspaper?

by AW Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:29 pm

stu wrote:Hi Tony did this guy write about Islam a lot then? as this seems a regular Islamic magazine/newspaper?

Yes he co-founded the website Islamophobia Watch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia_Watch

He's not a Muslim.

Edit: I couldn't swear it was his work. But it certainly looks like it.

by stuart torr Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:36 pm

Well the thread in the newspaper was Islamaphobia

by oftenwrong Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:45 pm

Somewhere, an Institution appears to have lost all its members at once.

by snowyflake Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:48 pm

Hi OW, isn't there a village missing your particular brand of talents Smile

by stuart torr Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:52 pm

Hi oftenwrong,yes a lot of us have left another forum and come to this one. nevermind we can show you all how clever or thick we are ahah

by stuart torr Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:55 pm

Now I WONDER WHAT KIND OF VILLAGE THAT ONE IS SNOWYFLAKE?

by oftenwrong Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:59 pm

The Exodus began on October 12, snowy, but I can't divine which particular internet discussion board has lost its supporters. Maybe it would have been called something like Lemming Locus, or God-botherers Central. Perhaps Sycophants' Sofa.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:35 pm

oftenwrong wrote:The Exodus began on October 12, snowy, but I can't divine which particular internet discussion board has lost its supporters. Maybe it would have been called something like Lemming Locus, or God-botherers Central. Perhaps Sycophants' Sofa.

Your consistent Ad hominem is pointless. Why not stick to addressing the points under discussion?

by Dan Fante Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:17 am

oftenwrong wrote:Somewhere, an Institution appears to have lost all its members at once.

You're coming across a bit like the shop keepers in the League of Gentlemen tbh. Laughing

by oftenwrong Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:00 am

Testing, testing. ONE .. one two three ... ONE (feedback squeal).
Seems to be working.

by stuart torr Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:13 pm

Well oftenwrong, it is a good job we are more intelligent than yourself, or we would take offence at your remarks. Not only offence but the gate too. Very Happy

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:31 pm

Dan Fante wrote:
oftenwrong wrote:Somewhere, an Institution appears to have lost all its members at once.
You're coming across a bit like the shop keepers in the League of Gentlemen tbh.

Brilliant...

"This is a local forum...For local people...there's nothing for you here...."

by stuart torr Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:36 pm

Afternoon Sheldon, how goes things at your end? I love this new place, posted over the hundred posts already haha8) Cool

by Shirina Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:15 pm

stu wrote: Not only offence but the gate too.

by snowyflake Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:25 pm

[quote="oftenwrong"]The Exodus began on October 12, snowy, but I can't divine which particular internet discussion board has lost its supporters. Maybe it would have been called something like Lemming Locus, or God-botherers Central. Perhaps [i]Sycophants' Sofa[/i].[/quote]
Yes I know OW. They've come over from the Amazon customer discussions forum. The mods there were banning people and deleting posts. Some people were being banned when they were quoting someone else's post. And people were complaining all the time.

It's a discussion forum. If you don't like what someone has to say, then refute it and debate it. Support your argument. There's no point running to the teacher because someone doesn't agree with you. What's the point? Anyway, it got beyond ridiculous so they are here now and seem to be settling in quite nicely.

Hope you have fun with them OW :) They've invaded your space en masse haha!!

by stuart torr Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:52 pm

Hi snowyflake, he is whingeing a bit cos, he doesn't like us out debating him so to speak, which is not that hard is it. Laughing

by snowyflake Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:18 pm

[quote="stu"]Hi snowyflake, he is whingeing a bit cos, he doesn't like us out debating him so to speak, which is not that hard is it.:lol: :lol: [/quote]
OW is a bit grumpy sometimes but he's ok :)

Glad to see you settling in so nicely stu. They are whinging on the Amazon forum and Spin is taking the credit for our departure which is typical. :)

by stuart torr Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:09 pm

Sorry for being a bit late in replying snowyflake, but just painted my bathroom door/ hallway half. Believe it or not i've got six doors in the hallway to paint, then I do the wall's. I guessed spin would take the credit, what do you expect with an ego his size. geek

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:28 pm

snowyflake wrote:
stu wrote:Hi snowyflake, he is whingeing a bit cos, he doesn't like us out debating him so to speak, which is not that hard is it.
OW is a bit grumpy sometimes but he's ok

Glad to see you settling in so nicely stu. They are whinging on the Amazon forum and Spin is taking the credit for our departure which is typical.

To be fair Spin's endless bullsh** was a major factor in convincing me that I'd had enough of the Amazon forum. Wink

by Dan Fante Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:31 pm

Spin will be gutted. He only goes on there to get a reaction. He's a childish attention seeker. And I've said as much to him on there so it's not like I'm just saying this behind his back. The funny thing is, he thinks he comes across as some sort of original thinker when just about every forum I've been on has had at least one person on there who behaves exactly the same way.

by AW Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:43 pm

Dan Fante wrote:Re: Female human rights in Moslem cultures

Spin will be gutted. He only goes on there to get a reaction. He's a childish attention seeker. And I've said as much to him on there so it's not like I'm just saying this behind his back. The funny thing is, he thinks he comes across as some sort of original thinker when just about every forum I've been on has had at least one person on there who behaves exactly the same way.

It's strange Dan, but I just said about the same thing (barring the fact that he can be found under any rock) on Amazon The Religion Forum Exodus thread. deadhorse

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:47 pm

Here's one for Cusick:

I dare anyone to suggest this teenage girl who was shot in the head for wanting an education, and is addressing the United Nations in that video is in fact propaganda.

by stuart torr Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:17 pm

That speech was on the news aswell Sheldon, disgusting is it not. My farewell speech to spin was deleted by amazon, surprise suprise.

by Norm Deplume Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:27 pm

Dan Fante wrote: The funny thing is, he thinks he comes across as some sort of original thinker when just about every forum I've been on has had at least one person on there who behaves exactly the same way.

Unsurprisingly Spin can say exactly the same thing: any forum he is on necessarily has one such.

by stuart torr Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:56 pm

There's alway's going to be one at least, is there not Norm.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:49 pm

Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:Here's one for Cusick:

I dare anyone to suggest this teenage girl who was shot in the head for wanting an education, and is addressing the United Nations in that video is in fact propaganda.

I can't help noticing that JP Cusick has not replied to this one, what's the hold up? sarcasm

by stuart torr Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:11 pm

Exactly Sheldon as it was on most main news sites also

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