Female human rights in Moslem cultures

by ROB Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:24 pm

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Female human rights in Moslem cultures

Responding here to this “thread” title (in “links”), these two phrases, “female human rights” and “Muslim cultures” are in many instances mutually exclusive.

Context: The most populous “Muslim” nation, Indonesia, in its key document affirms its creation and status as a non-Muslim nation. Perhaps that’s why Indonesia seems not a breeding ground for Islamafascist terrorist murderers.

In stark contrast, “Muslim” nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia intentionally deny unalienable human rights to females. The intentional tolerance of this female-enslaving culture in Western nations, carried out under the guise of “multiculturalism”, sows seeds for the destruction of these nations’ democracies from within. To tolerate evil is to support evil, whether that evil be “secular”, “religious”, or “cultural.”

Snowyflake is “on it”, committed to doing all she knows how to do to break the chains of slavery which allow Muslim women in “Muslim” nations to be raped, tortured, hacked into pieces, executed by hit squads on the streets (a common taliban action), tortured, imprisoned in their own homes and in state-supported prisons, stoned to death, and subjected to other nearly unspeakable and unconscionable acts of state-endorsed violence.

by snowyflake Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:11 pm

Ignoring the plight of other human beings is not an honest decision to mind your own business. It's a coward's position.

by oftenwrong Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:19 pm

Not nosy-parkering then. That's good to know.

In Portsmouth a few years ago, a rioting mob attacked the home of a registered Paediatrician.

(Following reports of a paedophile being sought by Police in the area.)

by snowyflake Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:27 pm

And an Asian woman in London had acid thrown in her face while onlookers did nothing. All minding their own business. That's good to know.

by willingsniper Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:49 pm

Hello Snowy!

by oftenwrong Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:58 pm

snowyflake wrote:And an Asian woman in London had acid thrown in her face while onlookers did nothing. All minding their own business. That's good to know.

Do you know what the official Police advice to the Public is in such circumstances, showyflake?

by snowyflake Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:13 pm

Do you know what the official Police advice to the Public is in such circumstances, showyflake?

Do you know what the moral, ethical, human action is, OW?

I don't think you do.

Don't be so proud of your yellow streak, OW and think you're being prudent.

by snowyflake Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:24 pm

Willing Sniper! Smile

Where ya bin?

by Guest Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:02 am

oftenwrong wrote:
Judge not, lest ye be judged.

It’s interesting when one quotes Jesus’ teaching prior to seeking understanding of the quoted teaching.

by oftenwrong Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:53 pm

snowyflake wrote:
Do you know what the official Police advice to the Public is in such circumstances, showyflake?

Do you know what the moral, ethical, human action is, OW?

I don't think you do.

Don't be so proud of your yellow streak, OW and think you're being prudent.

Don't be so sure of your ground without evidence.

The original muslim-bashing which opened this thread is turning into the plain old familiar men-bashing. Which perhaps is what it has been all along. Quelle surprise!

by Guest Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:49 pm

oftenwrong wrote:
snowyflake wrote:
Do you know what the official Police advice to the Public is in such circumstances, showyflake?
Do you know what the moral, ethical, human action is, OW?

I don't think you do.

Don't be so proud of your yellow streak, OW and think you're being prudent.
Don't be so sure of your ground without evidence.

The evidence provided by Snowyflake is incontestable. See this thread’s initiating post, and its seventh response, both authored by me, directly following my closing comments.

oftenwrong wrote:
The original muslim-bashing which opened this thread…

Erroneous. The initiating post, authored by me, contains no “muslim-bashing” whatsoever. In stark and brutal contrast, the Reuters video and its accompanying print story, also initially posted by me, documents Muslim bashing, the bashing perpetrated upon an innocent Muslim woman as a bestial male life form unworthy of the title “human” pumps nine rounds through the skull and into the brains of that innocent woman as she kneels helplessly on the ground.

RockOnBrother wrote:
Re: Female human rights in Moslem cultures
by RockOnBrother on Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 18:49
https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t580-female-human-rights-in-moslem-cultures#23184

Taliban publicly execute woman near Kabul to cheers of jubilation from watching men

By Hamid Shalizi and Amie Ferris-Rotman

KABUL – Saturday, 7 July 2012, 7:04 PM BST

KABUL (Reuters) - A man Afghan officials say is a member of the Taliban shot dead a woman accused of adultery in front of a crowd near Kabul, a video obtained by Reuters showed, a sign that the austere Islamist group dictates law even near the Afghan capital.

In the three-minute video, a turban-clad man approaches a woman kneeling in the dirt and shoots her five times at close range with an automatic rifle, to cheers of jubilation from the 150 or so men watching in a village in Parwan province.

"Allah warns us not to get close to adultery because it's the wrong way," another man says as the shooter gets closer to the woman. "It is the order of Allah that she be executed".

… [this public punishment] raised concern about the treatment of Afghan women 11 years into the NATO-led war against Taliban insurgents.

When the unnamed woman, most of her body tightly wrapped in a shawl, fell sideways after being shot several times in the head, the spectators chanted: "Long live the Afghan mujahideen! (Islamist fighters)", a name the Taliban use for themselves.

Full Reuters story: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/07/us-afghanistan-taliban-woman-idUKBRE8660C320120707

Video: Taliban publicly execute woman near Kabul
https://www.youtube.com/v/vCV61MYdRj8

That, sir, is Muslim-bashing.

oftenwrong wrote:
… is turning into the plain old familiar men-bashing.

Erroneous. I, sir, am a man, a gentleman, a man appropriately enraged by the knowledge that bestial male life forms stalk, abduct, enslave, torture, brutalize, rape, and exterminate innocent Muslim women still breathe the air of my planet.

1. Initiating post

RockOnBrother wrote:
Female human rights in Moslem cultures
by RockOnBrother on Thu 5 Jul 2012 - 17:24
https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t580-female-human-rights-in-moslem-cultures#23001

Female human rights in Moslem cultures
Responding here to this “thread” title (in “links”), these two phrases, “female human rights” and “Muslim cultures” are in many instances mutually exclusive.

Context: The most populous “Muslim” nation, Indonesia, in its key document affirms its creation and status as a non-Muslim nation. Perhaps that’s why Indonesia seems not a breeding ground for Islamafascist terrorist murderers.

In stark contrast, “Muslim” nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia intentionally deny unalienable human rights to females. The intentional tolerance of this female-enslaving culture in Western nations, carried out under the guise of “multiculturalism”, sows seeds for the destruction of these nations’ democracies from within. To tolerate evil is to support evil, whether that evil be “secular”, “religious”, or “cultural.”

Snowyflake is “on it”, committed to doing all she knows how to do to break the chains of slavery which allow Muslim women in “Muslim” nations to be raped, tortured, hacked into pieces, executed by hit squads on the streets (a common taliban action), tortured, imprisoned in their own homes and in state-supported prisons, stoned to death, and subjected to other nearly unspeakable and unconscionable acts of state-endorsed violence.

2. Seventh response

RockOnBrother wrote:
Re: Female human rights in Moslem cultures
by RockOnBrother on Fri 6 Jul 2012 - 6:43
https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t580-female-human-rights-in-moslem-cultures#23036
Ivan wrote:
Female human rights in Moslem cultures
by Ivan on Thu 6 Jul 2012 - 16:29

I’m posting these links to two charities at the request of Snowyflake, one of our members:-

Violence is Not our Culture (VNC): http://www.violenceisnotourculture.org/

Equality Now: http://www.equalitynow.org/

Both organisations exist to educate people about the human rights of women and girls living in Moslem countries, and to take action against abuses against women and girls in these cultures. This includes writing letters and emails to governments to stop stoning women for sexual 'crimes', female genital mutilation, physical and sexual abuse and rape victims being criminalised.

There is a real campaign by Moslem women to change the culture from inside, and to educate the men and ruling figures in those cultures that women and girls have a meaningful role in life and have value in their own right.

https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t579-female-human-rights-in-moslem-cultures

by snowyflake Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:12 pm

The original muslim-bashing which opened this thread is turning into the plain old familiar men-bashing.

For me to engage in men-bashing, first, you'd have to be a man......

by Guest Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:25 pm

Snowy,

I am a man. You have not engaged in bashing me.

by snowyflake Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:29 pm

Rock

You are a man and I have not bashed you. This is correct. Thanks for your support on this thread. It means a lot to me.

Take care Smile

by oftenwrong Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:48 pm

Meantime there are abuses of female rights far closer to home if someone wants to see things in perspective. The Government of the day wants to limit the time in which an abortion is legal. Jeremy *unt is the Health Minister if you want a meaty target.

Or waste your time throwing darts at my picture on here.....

Female human rights in Moslem cultures - Page 4 196-30

Female human rights in Moslem cultures - Page 4 196-30

All claims and rights acknowledged

by Guest Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:04 pm

oftenwrong wrote:
… waste your time throwing darts at my picture on here.....

I don’t throw darts.

oftenwrong wrote:
Meantime there are abuses of female rights far closer to home if someone wants to see things in perspective.

Meanwhile, there are abuses of female rights in Afghanistan, readily viewable below, for those who wish to see the reality of Muslim-bashing; i.e., a bestial male life form pumping nine rounds through the skull and into the brains of an innocent Muslim woman in perspective.

RockOnBrother wrote:
Re: Female human rights in Moslem cultures
by RockOnBrother on Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 18:49
https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t580-female-human-rights-in-moslem-cultures#23184

Taliban publicly execute woman near Kabul to cheers of jubilation from watching men

By Hamid Shalizi and Amie Ferris-Rotman

KABUL – Saturday, 7 July 2012, 7:04 PM BST

KABUL (Reuters) - A man Afghan officials say is a member of the Taliban shot dead a woman accused of adultery in front of a crowd near Kabul, a video obtained by Reuters showed, a sign that the austere Islamist group dictates law even near the Afghan capital.

In the three-minute video, a turban-clad man approaches a woman kneeling in the dirt and shoots her five times at close range with an automatic rifle, to cheers of jubilation from the 150 or so men watching in a village in Parwan province.

"Allah warns us not to get close to adultery because it's the wrong way," another man says as the shooter gets closer to the woman. "It is the order of Allah that she be executed".

… [this public punishment] raised concern about the treatment of Afghan women 11 years into the NATO-led war against Taliban insurgents.

When the unnamed woman, most of her body tightly wrapped in a shawl, fell sideways after being shot several times in the head, the spectators chanted: "Long live the Afghan mujahideen! (Islamist fighters)", a name the Taliban use for themselves.

Full Reuters story: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/07/us-afghanistan-taliban-woman-idUKBRE8660C320120707

Video: Taliban publicly execute woman near Kabul
https://www.youtube.com/v/vCV61MYdRj8

by oftenwrong Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:11 pm

RockOnBrother wrote:
oftenwrong wrote:
… waste your time throwing darts at my picture on here.....

I don’t throw darts.

oftenwrong wrote:
Meantime there are abuses of female rights far closer to home if someone wants to see things in perspective.

Meanwhile, there are abuses of female rights in Afghanistan, readily viewable below, for those who wish to see the reality of Muslim-bashing; i.e., a bestial male life form pumping nine rounds through the skull and into the brains of an innocent Muslim woman in perspective.

RockOnBrother wrote:
Re: Female human rights in Moslem cultures
by RockOnBrother on Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 18:49
https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t580-female-human-rights-in-moslem-cultures#23184

Taliban publicly execute woman near Kabul to cheers of jubilation from watching men

By Hamid Shalizi and Amie Ferris-Rotman

KABUL – Saturday, 7 July 2012, 7:04 PM BST

KABUL (Reuters) - A man Afghan officials say is a member of the Taliban shot dead a woman accused of adultery in front of a crowd near Kabul, a video obtained by Reuters showed, a sign that the austere Islamist group dictates law even near the Afghan capital.

In the three-minute video, a turban-clad man approaches a woman kneeling in the dirt and shoots her five times at close range with an automatic rifle, to cheers of jubilation from the 150 or so men watching in a village in Parwan province.

"Allah warns us not to get close to adultery because it's the wrong way," another man says as the shooter gets closer to the woman. "It is the order of Allah that she be executed".

… [this public punishment] raised concern about the treatment of Afghan women 11 years into the NATO-led war against Taliban insurgents.

When the unnamed woman, most of her body tightly wrapped in a shawl, fell sideways after being shot several times in the head, the spectators chanted: "Long live the Afghan mujahideen! (Islamist fighters)", a name the Taliban use for themselves.

Full Reuters story: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/07/us-afghanistan-taliban-woman-idUKBRE8660C320120707

Video: Taliban publicly execute woman near Kabul
https://www.youtube.com/v/vCV61MYdRj8

Such a relief to see a posting which is totally uncritical of muslims.

by Guest Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:00 am

MailOnline

The tortured child bride: Horrific ordeal of Afghan girl, 15, rescued from toilet prison after husband's family mutilated her for refusing to work as a prostitute

• 15-year-old was beaten and burned with cigarettes after being locked in a toilet for five months
• Police say teenager's in-laws also pulled out her nails and hair and locked her up with barely enough food and water to survive
• 'This is one of the worst cases of violence against Afghan women' says Afghanistan's health minister
• Girl's mother-in-law and sister-in-law both detained but police hunt is on for husband and father-in-law

By Anthony Bond
UPDATED: 15:05 EST, 1 January 2012

A teenage Afghan girl was brutally tortured, beaten and locked in a toilet by her husband's family for five months after she refused to become a prostitute, it has emerged.

Sahar Gul, 15, was in critical condition when she was rescued from a house in northern Baghlan province last week, after her neighbours reported hearing Miss Gul crying and moaning in pain.

According to police in Baghlan, her in-laws pulled out her nails and hair, and locked her in a dark basement bathroom for about five months, with barely enough food and water to survive.
Her husband's family also burned the teenager with cigarettes and cut out chunks of her flesh with pliers.

[Video follows]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2080716/Afghan-child-bride-Sahar-Gul-15-mutilated-refusing-prostitution-rescued-toilet-prison.html

Afghan child bride tortured for six months
https://www.youtube.com/v/0fHqA4GQxsE

by Shirina Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:39 am

Such a relief to see a posting which is totally uncritical of muslims.

Should we be uncritical of a murderer because he happens to be Muslim?

by Guest Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:56 am

oftenwrong wrote:
Such a relief to see a posting which is totally uncritical of muslims.

Should we be uncritical of a child bride torturer because he happens to be Muslim?

by willingsniper Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:21 am

RockOnBrother wrote:
oftenwrong wrote:
Such a relief to see a posting which is totally uncritical of muslims.

Should we be uncritical of a child bride torturer because he happens to be Muslim?

Sounds like it was the mother-in-law

by snowyflake Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:59 am

Such a relief to see a posting which is totally uncritical of muslims.

Criticism is warranted. I understand that it is not, in your opinion, politically correct to criticise barbaric behaviour. Go figure.

by boatlady Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:38 am

Personally, I am finding the repeated reiterations of these abuses to be sickening in the extreme.
It seems to me that people have said what they want and need to say on these topics - we are all agreed that murder and torture are a bad thing, but I am beginining to find the insistence on watching what amounts to a snuff movie just a bit sick and perverse.
Rock, if you're so incensed, get out and do something - constant repetitive harping on is not action

by Guest Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:19 pm

boatlady wrote:
Personally, I am finding the repeated reiterations of these abuses to be sickening in the extreme.

Personally, I find the abduction, virtual enslavement, brutalization, torture, rape, and murder repeatedly perpetrated upon innocent Muslim women by bestial male life forms to be despicable, sickening, heinous, and immoral.

boatlady wrote:
It seems to me that people have said what they want and need to say on these topics…

It seems to me that people who possess freedom of choice can choose to say what they want to say as they so choose, unlike the innocent Muslim women whose total lack of freedom of choice is documented via print and video media hereon.

boatlady wrote:
… we are all agreed that murder and torture are a bad thing, but I am beginining to find the insistence on watching what amounts to a snuff movie just a bit sick and perverse.

Your use of “insistence” is erroneous in its implication that I have insisted that you watch anything. Having been created by your Creator into freedom of choice, you are free to choose to watch or not watch at your pleasure any video posted hereon.

Your use of “but” immediately following your tepid statement of mild displeasure at viewing print and video documentation of abduction, virtual enslavement, brutalization, torture, rape, and murder of innocent Muslim women strongly suggest that, in your view, it’s more about you than about the victims of these heinous acts.

Your equation of video documentation of abduction, virtual enslavement, brutalization, torture, rape, and murder of innocent Muslim women, including Sahar Gul (click here) and the unnamed woman shot nine times in the head (click here), to “a snuff movie” is puzzling, astounding, and, in my opinion, revealing of an underlying excusatory, tolerant attitude towards predators who commit heinous, immoral acts against precious human souls.

boatlady wrote:
Rock, if you're so incensed, get out and do something - constant repetitive harping on is not action

boatlady, your command to me is noted. As you are neither a peace officer nor a court official of any jurisdiction to which I am subject, and having been created by my Creator into freedom of choice, I choose to heed not your command.

by **Ivan** Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:27 pm

Interesting article by Gordon Brown on the tragedy of child brides and the importance of girls' education:-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gordon-brown/international-day-girl-child_b_1949367.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

by oftenwrong Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:06 pm

None of which detracts from the right of any female to adopt the role of Mother, finding personal fulfilment in raising healthy sensible children for which she is uniquely equipped.

Society is rather fond of prescribing how young people should behave.

by methought Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:22 pm

Good post Ivan - did anyone see Sarah's hand up the back of his jumper?

His name clearly carries more weight than hers, and it is good to know that tomorrow is a day to remember the injustice experienced by child brides.

by Guest Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:09 am

From Gordon Brown’s Huffington Post Article:

The Tragedy of Child Brides
Gordon Brown
Former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom; UN Special Envoy for Global Education

Posted: 10/09/2012 8:20 am

Ten million girls every year are removed from school and forced into marriages they did not choose. Girls of nine, ten and eleven are among those whose childhoods are stolen, and destined instead to a future of poverty and exploitation.

My recent report on child marriage makes clear that the surest way to end this scandal of child brides is to ensure that every girl goes to school. Ending the destruction of talent and opportunity that comes with early marriage would also generate wider benefits. Children born to very young mothers (who often live in extreme poverty) are more likely to die before their fifth birthday; keeping girls in school and out of marriage delays them having children so young. Prolonging girls' education could therefore save an estimated 500,000 infant lives between now and the 2015 deadline for the Millennium Development Goal on child mortality.

That is why every government, UN agency and donor should include in their education strategies clear targets for eliminating early marriage, backed by policies and financing provisions. On Thursday I'll be supporting the call by a number of UN agencies and leading campaigners including Desmond Tutu and Mary Robinson to accelerate progress in reducing the number of child brides.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gordon-brown/international-day-girl-child_b_1949367.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

Many of the nations in which young girls are forced and/or sold into marriage/virtual slavery are original signatories to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), adopted by the United Nations General Assembly 10 December 1948, Palais de Chaillot, Paris, France.

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Article 1.
• All human beings are born free and equal in… rights…

Article 2.
• Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as… sex… religion… national… origin… Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the… jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs…

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by oftenwrong Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:45 am

I can't quite suppress a feeling of unease about people who can get themselves into a slather of indignation about a problem which is not theirs personally, and which no amount of righteous protestation is likely to affect.

The power of suggestion takes different people in odd ways, though rarely in a healthy one.

by Guest Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:51 am

Re: Female human rights in Moslem cultures
by RockOnBrother on Thu 4 Oct 2012 - 8:31

Violence is Not our Culture (VNC): http://www.violenceisnotourculture.org/

Equality Now: http://www.equalitynow.org/

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Morocco: End the legal exemption for rapists who marry their victims

Action Number: 41.1
Date: 28 Mar 2012
Update Date: 17 May 2012

Update:

15-year-old Safae from Tangiers was raped and impregnated in January 2011 when she was 14. Though she and her mother filed a complaint, according to recent reports they were pressured to drop the charges by the prosecutor and the judge. Instead, without her parents being present, the judge allegedly made Safae marry her rapist in order to save her “honor.” By doing so, the law also removed the threat of criminal penalty on Safae’s rapist.

Safae gave birth to a girl in September 2011, but her rapist has disappeared and she and her daughter are not supported by him. Additionally, since the father is not named on the birth certificate, Safae’s rapist remains anonymous with his “honor” intact, while Safae is reported to be in a state of extreme depression, having twice attempted suicide.

As with the previous case of 16-year-old Amina Filali, who committed suicide after being forced to marry her rapist, this highlights the difficulties faced by Moroccan girls in achieving justice in sexual violence cases.

On 11 March 2012, 16-year-old Amina Filali committed suicide by swallowing rat poison after being forced to marry her rapist. Neither Amina nor the rapist wanted to marry but court officials, including the prosecutor, suggested the marriage when the victim and her family reported the rape. Article 475 of the Penal Code of Morocco specifically exempts a minor’s “kidnapper” from punishment if she marries him. Culturally, the stigma of being raped is often too much for both rape victims and their parents, and many reluctantly agree to the marriage. Reports suggest that after their marriage Amina was also beaten by her husband. With only the prospect of further rapes and beatings in her future Amina took her own life.

WHAT YOU CAN DO
Continue to call on the Moroccan government officials below to:
• Repeal Article 475 of the Moroccan Penal Code and ensure that girls and women are protected from violence and have access to justice.
• Ensure that the prohibition on child marriage is enforced and stop judges from coercing girls to marry their abusers particularly in cases of sexual violence.
• Institute child protection measures and judicial training as matters of urgency.
• Comply with Morocco’s international legal obligations under the Convention of Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, the Convention on the Rights of the Child and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights as well as its own Constitution.

http://www.equalitynow.org/take_action/discrimination_in_law_action411

by snowyflake Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:56 pm

I can't quite suppress a feeling of unease about people who can get themselves into a slather of indignation about a problem which is not theirs personally, and which no amount of righteous protestation is likely to affect.

I know what you mean. I feel the same when I see supposedly educated people telling others that what 'other cultures do is their own business' or 'it has nothing to do with us'. And then calls you a racist because you criticise such behaviour. I suppose if you were watching a child molester, a wife beater or other such social depravity, you would just walk on by. Makes me feel very uneasy when I hear someone say such things. Makes me think that person has a self-absorbed conscience or is just plain too scared to take a stand against any injustice.

The power of suggestion takes different people in odd ways, though rarely in a healthy one.

The Taliban shot a 14 year old girl yesterday in the head because she was campaigning for the rights of girls to attend school. I suppose in OW's world this is acceptable behaviour.

by Guest Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:08 pm

Taliban shoot Pakistani schoolgirl campaigning for peace
By Jibran Ahmad
PESHAWAR, Pakistan | Tue Oct 9, 2012 3:46pm EDT

(Reuters) - Taliban gunmen in Pakistan shot and seriously wounded on Tuesday a 14-year-old schoolgirl who rose to fame for speaking out against the militants, authorities said.

Malala Yousufzai was shot in the head and neck when gunmen fired on her school bus in the Swat valley, northwest of the capital, Islamabad. Two other girls were also wounded, police said.

The government agreed to a ceasefire with the Taliban in Swat in early 2009, effectively recognizing insurgent control of the valley whose lakes and mountains had long been a tourist attraction.

The Taliban set up courts, executed residents and closed girls' schools, including the one that Yousufzai attended. A documentary team filmed her weeping as she explained her ambition to be a doctor.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/09/us-pakistan-schoolgirl-idUSBRE8980EB20121009

Taliban Shoots 14-year-old Pakistani Schoolgirl
https://www.youtube.com/v/FEjhuoQ0x5A

Taliban shoots 14 year old schoolgirl in the head because she's asking for the right to be educated
https://www.youtube.com/v/PNxl5Nk2sJ8

Why the Taliban Fears Teenage Girls
By William J. Dobson
Posted Wednesday, Oct. 10, 2012, at 9:48 AM ET

… Malala Yousafzai, a 14-year-old girl and well-known advocate for female education, [yesterday was] shot in the head and neck on her way home from school. The Pakistani Taliban quickly took responsibility, claiming she was guilty of “promoting Western culture in Pashtun areas.” According to another girl injured in the attack, Taliban gunmen stopped their school bus. A militant asked which girl was Malala, and then opened fire.

After the attack, Yousafzai was airlifted to a hospital in Peshawar… she was listed in stable condition. If she does indeed recover, Taliban militants promise they will try to kill her again.

Of course they do. A teenage girl speaking out for girls’ education is just about the most terrifying thing in the world for the Taliban. She is not some Western NGO activist who just parachuted into Pashtun country to hand out ESL textbooks. She is far more dangerous than that: a local, living advocate of progress, education, and enlightenment. If people like Yousafzia were to multiply, the Taliban would have no future.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/10/10/taliban_shoots_14_year_old_girl_here_s_why_malala_yousafzia_scares_them.html?tid=sm_tw_button_toolbar

by oftenwrong Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:13 pm

We're told that Christ died for our sins, but who comes next?

by True Blue Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:23 pm

RockOnBrother wrote:It seems to me that people who possess freedom of choice can choose to say what they want to say as they so choose, unlike the innocent Muslim women whose total lack of freedom of choice is documented via print and video media hereon.

History teaches very well that those who want for liberation must seek it for themselves. The liberation of Western women, was born of a liberation movement in western nations. There were many women who were against that movement, but not enough against the movement to deny it a rational voice in a sea of law made for and by men... now changed... now liberated... now speaking for all people of legal merit.

So, whilst we can raise awareness via the Multimedia of the lack of freedom many Muslim women experience as every day life, we cant change that fact.... only those women from those abusive societies, can affect real change through civil disobedience.

by methought Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:18 am

Flippin' heck, it's been slow enough here...

Look at the Jimmy Savile scandal, and how long it's taken for anyone to say outright that it was wrong.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2214361/Jimmy-Savile-BBC-finally-launches-investigation-child-abuse-claims--police-probe-over.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DLarisa%2BBrown

by snowyflake Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:11 am

40 years ago, men had far more leeway to behave badly than they do today. Women were often blamed for incidents that happened to them. When I was 16, I worked as a chambermaid in a motel and the owner cornered me in the laundry room and groped me. I fought him off and ran out. I never told anyone, I never complained to his wife, I just made sure I was never alone in the laundry room again with him. Funnily, I didn't quit my job. The same occurred in a pizza joint I worked at. Sexual harassment was rife in the workplace. Girls just learned to spot and stay away from the predators. There were no laws protecting us then like they have now. This is social evolution.

If Jimmy Savile was as bad as the papers say, the systems weren't in place then to protect the people he allegedly molested. That was down to his employer and the parents of the girls to bring him to task. What happened that he was allowed to carry on for as long as he did?

Getting back to social evolution, True Blue, the two websites are for muslim women to take a stand against abuse and there is a grassroots effort to effect change from within. You may have heard of the women in Saudi Arabia protesting for their right to drive a car. It is unheard of in this day and age that a woman is thrown in prison because she chose to drive a car. But it wasn't that long ago that women won the vote in this country and that took long and dedicated campaigning and protesting and demonstrating to win that. Islam will evolve but it takes time and reasonable people to stand up against injustice.

by Guest Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:15 am

Ruyati Binti Sapubi - An Indonesian Maid in Saudi Arabia Beheaded on June 18, 2011
https://www.youtube.com/v/kpLpy4VSJXE

Indonesia is predominantly Muslim. Ruyati Binti Sapubi is a Muslim name. According to the most recent information available to me, Saudi Arabian courts are allowed to hear testimony only from male Muslims.

by Shirina Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:36 pm

Saudi Arabian courts are allowed to hear testimony only from male Muslims.

And we sell this regime F-15s and M1A2 Abrams tanks. Should women -- or society at large -- ever decide to push for those Creator-endowed rights, American weapons will be killing them.

by Guest Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:10 pm

Shirina wrote:
Saudi Arabian courts are allowed to hear testimony only from male Muslims.
And we sell this regime F-15s and M1A2 Abrams tanks. Should women -- or society at large -- ever decide to push for those Creator-endowed rights, American weapons will be killing them.

The first two paragraphs are background and should not be interpreted as implying approval of this regime.

We sell this regime these weapons because, more than any other government, this regime controls crude. A good number of years ago, certain OPEC members reduced crude production to drive up process. The Sauds (the regime is a Saud family business) unilaterally increased production and brought the price of crude back to where they wanted it to be.

During that incident, I did some reading about the modern Saud family. The princes are educated at internationally renowned institutions of higher learning at which they study and master disciplines that help them keep their iron grip on crude, and thus their iron grip on modern crude-dependent Western societies. The reason they opened up the pumps during that incident was to ensure that demand for their one serious cash product remained high. You may recall the consequences of high at-the-pump prices in the summer of 2008, which in Texas included a rapid diminishment of gas-guzzling SUVs, full sized pickups, and SUVs, a rapid rise in 30 plus per gallon sedans, and a significant decrease in miles drive. The Sauds do not want Americans to break our addiction to crude, and they use their mastery of Keynesian economics to so far successfully prevent this.

My respect for the Sauds begins and ends there, as it is always wise to know one’s enemies’ strengths. My disrespect for the Sauds ranges broad, deep; your statement neatly encapsulates my own loathing for these bestial, immoral, male terrorist who target their own females for brutalization.

If American weapons kill Saudi women seeking to exercise Creator-endowed unalienable human rights which cannot be abridged by any man, council of men, or government instituted among men except through immoral usurpation, then the blood of each woman harmed or killed will in some way be on every American’s hands. It’s time to break the addiction by any means possible.

by Guest Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Female human rights in Moslem cultures
by RockOnBrother on Thu 4 Oct 2012 - 8:31

Violence is Not our Culture (VNC): http://www.violenceisnotourculture.org/

Equality Now: http://www.equalitynow.org/

__________________________________________________________________________________________
Act Now to Oppose Russian Resolution on Traditional Values: Universality of Human Rights at Stake!
September 6, 2012
Source: ARC-International

At the current session of the United Nations Human Rights Council, Russia has tabled a resolution seeking to promote “traditional values” as a basis for human rights. Numerous UN experts have emphasised that traditional values are frequently invoked by States to justify human rights violations, such as family violence, marital rape, forced marriage and female genital mutilation.

A preliminary report of the [Human Rights Council] Advisory Committee is highly critical of a traditional values approach to human rights, calling traditional values “vague, subjective and unclear” and noting that “those most marginalized and disenfranchised have the most to lose from a traditional values approach to human rights”.

See the attached backgrounder http://arc-international.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Concerns-re-TVs2...
for more details. Additional information can also be found at:

http://arc-international.net/global-advocacy/human-rights-council/hrc-ad...
http://arc-international.net/global-advocacy/human-rights-council/hrc21/...

What can I do?

Contact your country’s Foreign Ministry today! Send your Foreign Ministry a copy of the attached backgrounder expressing concerns and write a short cover note calling on your government to oppose the resolution.

http://www.violenceisnotourculture.org/Calls-for-Action/act-now-oppose-russian-resolution-traditional-values-universality-human-rights

by snowyflake Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:36 am

http://justiceforiran.org/crime-and-impunity/assets/crime_and_impunity.pdf

The above report makes for some harrowing reading but I was encouraged that there is movement by the women activists in this regard. Perhaps some think this is just cultural as well and the worldwide community should just keep their nose out of it.

The women in this report; authors, activists and victims are brave beyond measure.

Nothing changes when you don't speak out. Nothing changes if you don't have the support of others. Nothing changes when you have nay-sayers thinking it is none of their concern.

Please visit the website for more information.

http://www.violenceisnotourculture.org/resources/crime-impunity-pioneering-report-sexual-torture-iranian-prisons

by Guest Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:11 am

Crime & Impunity: A pioneering report on sexual torture in Iranian Prisons

Publication Date: December, 2012.
Source: Justice for Iran

This weighty report based on testimonials of victims, survivors, witnesses and experts, examines the extent to which women prisoners were systematically subjected to sexual violence as a gender-specific means of silencing young Iranian girls and women dissidents.

http://www.violenceisnotourculture.org/resources/crime-impunity-pioneering-report-sexual-torture-iranian-prisons

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