Female human rights in Moslem cultures

by ROB Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:24 pm

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Female human rights in Moslem cultures

Responding here to this “thread” title (in “links”), these two phrases, “female human rights” and “Muslim cultures” are in many instances mutually exclusive.

Context: The most populous “Muslim” nation, Indonesia, in its key document affirms its creation and status as a non-Muslim nation. Perhaps that’s why Indonesia seems not a breeding ground for Islamafascist terrorist murderers.

In stark contrast, “Muslim” nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia intentionally deny unalienable human rights to females. The intentional tolerance of this female-enslaving culture in Western nations, carried out under the guise of “multiculturalism”, sows seeds for the destruction of these nations’ democracies from within. To tolerate evil is to support evil, whether that evil be “secular”, “religious”, or “cultural.”

Snowyflake is “on it”, committed to doing all she knows how to do to break the chains of slavery which allow Muslim women in “Muslim” nations to be raped, tortured, hacked into pieces, executed by hit squads on the streets (a common taliban action), tortured, imprisoned in their own homes and in state-supported prisons, stoned to death, and subjected to other nearly unspeakable and unconscionable acts of state-endorsed violence.

by stuart torr Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:11 pm

Exactly Sheldon as it was on most main news sites also

by Dan Fante Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:49 am

Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:
Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:Here's one for Cusick:

I dare anyone to suggest this teenage girl who was shot in the head for wanting an education, and is addressing the United Nations in that video is in fact propaganda.
I can't help noticing that JP Cusick has not replied to this one, what's the hold up?

Presumably he knows some girls who don't want to go to school, so that makes it ok.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:06 am

Dan Fante wrote:
Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:
Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:Here's one for Cusick:

I dare anyone to suggest this teenage girl who was shot in the head for wanting an education, and is addressing the United Nations in that video is in fact propaganda.
I can't help noticing that JP Cusick has not replied to this one, what's the hold up?
Presumably he knows some girls who don't want to go to school, so that makes it ok.

Somehow given his hyperbole so far I'd be prepared to bet he "knows" that "the vast majority" of girls don't want an education. sarcasm

by stuart torr Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:46 pm

They all get private education at home Sheldon, didn't you know

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:46 am

stu wrote:They all get private education at home Sheldon, didn't you know

I can only imagine stu, what a terrifying thought. Though I didn't agree with the war on Afghanistan, if in the future it changes the appalling treatment of women, and even achieves equality for women that are unfortunate enough to live under the Taliban and their ilk then it won't have been entirely unjustified.

by Dan Fante Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:48 am

I fear that the Taliban are just waiting for the foreigners to leave.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:55 am

Dan Fante wrote:I fear that the Taliban are just waiting for the foreigners to leave.

I suspect you may be right, as historically that has always been the case. How effective this war has been will ultimately be determined by what happens when it ends, and how much assistance Afghanistan gets to rebuild and develop itself out of the stone age that many of it's people live in.

by oftenwrong Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:56 am

Hwa is thet mei thet hors wettrien the him self nule drinken.

[who can give water to the horse that will not drink of its own accord?]

Old English Homilies, 1175

by polyglide Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:56 am

There has never been any war that has, long term, been of lasting benifit to anyone, the only one that will count is when the Devil is beaten.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:19 pm

polyglide wrote:There has never been any war that has, long term, been of lasting benifit to anyone, the only one that will count is when the Devil is beaten.

Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:
Astonishing, and absurd, we'd all have lived our lives under Nazi occupation if that idiotic statement were true. So you're a fascist then? As you'd clearly have happily let the Nazis rule Europe under their jack boot.

by Dan Fante Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:42 pm

polyglide wrote:There has never been any war that has, long term, been of lasting benifit to anyone, the only one that will count is when the Devil is beaten.

Do you not think it's a bit insulting to armed forces veterans to suggest a conflict within your head assumes greater importance?

by stuart torr Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:13 pm

Very true Dan, Polyglide please forgive me but you do seem to have some strange thoughts rolling around in your head. Just god versus satan is it not? Overwhelming evidence pointing to both not existing at that.

by stuart torr Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:15 pm

Sorry Dan and Sheldon missed your posts yesterday apologies, but of what good will that be to the muslim women? You say that the "taliban are just waiting for the foriegners to leave". Surely that will make life worse for them.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:24 pm

stu wrote:Sorry Dan and Sheldon missed your posts yesterday apologies, but of what good will that be to the muslim women? You say that the "taliban are just waiting for the foriegners to leave". Surely that will make life worse for them.

Humans who gain power are always reluctant to give it up stu. That's why the best form of government is democracy, as it limits both the amount of power a person can wield and the length of time they hold that power. The Taliban are hateful power hungry misogynists, they won't just give up because power has been temporarily taken away from them. When the western troops leave they will try and take over again, and everything will depend on the kind of economic and political assistance Afghanistan gets to develop it's political and economic structure. Poverty rarely breeds democracies.

by stuart torr Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:45 pm

Thanks Sheldon, understand now. thumbsup

by Heretic Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:02 pm

I just got around to looking at the video of that young girl at the UN. Apart from sounding as though she had a script writer, a good one, I was really moved. She is a really remarkable young lady and I'm glad that she is a very tangible example of what the extremists fear. I saw the biography in Watersons and as part of the publicity was a quote from Ban Ki Moon[sp?] which explained that what the terrorists and other extremists fear is a woman with a book.

Enough said.

Heretic

by stuart torr Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:50 pm

Also Heretic, they fear a woman with intelligence do they not.

by Heretic Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:00 pm

stu wrote:Also Heretic, they fear a woman with intelligence do they not.

Anyone with intelligence is dangerous but a woman with intelligence can slowly change the world. I remember that Mahatma Gandhi was surrounded by women who made his visions realities.

I've mentioned that an intelligent woman always makes her husband think that he's in control. Of course that simple fact which is known by everyone makes the rest of us wonder whether we really understand our own relationship. Whoever started this meme (probably a woman) was certainly intelligent and is keeping the rest of us on our toes.

Heretic

by stuart torr Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:28 pm

GOT my tracksuit on and running shoes Heretic, and I do not mind one iota.

by Shirina Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:22 pm

polyglide wrote:There has never been any war that has, long term, been of lasting benifit to anyone, the only one that will count is when the Devil is beaten.

Hmm, do you think the Holocaust survivors would agree with that statement? Perhaps you think that they would have rather all died in the camps because fighting a war to rid the world of Nazi tyranny didn't produce a long term benefit. We can also ask the elderly residents of Denmark, Holland, France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Italy, Norway, Luxemborg, China, Manchuria, Thailand, Burma, and a host of other nations forcefully occupied by the Axis powers (or were an Axis power under the thrall of fascism). I bet they would all disagree that WWII wasn't worth fighting.

And we could go on to Korea, too. Did it provide a long-term benefit? Why not ask the 50 million South Koreans who enjoy freedom, democracy, and a thriving economy sixty years later because the Korean War held back the encroachment of communism. If not for that war, "North" Korea would just be "Korea," and those 50 million people would be under the thumb of Kim Jong-un, living in an isolated, xenophobic nation wracked with famine, poverty, and tyranny.

I would also think that the millions of slaves in America would consider the US Civil War to be a conflict providing a long-term benefit - considering that, not only are they now free, we even have a black man sitting in the Oval Office.

Rarely is a war pointless .... Vietnam comes to mind, but only because the US failed to achieve its objectives. Who knows how prosperous Vietnam may be right now if the USA had managed to soundly defeat North Vietnam. One can only look at the prosperity of South Korea and wonder if Vietnam could have been so lucky.

Was Desert Storm a pointless war with no long-term benefit? Ask the Kuwaitis ... they might have a different opinion than you do.

George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq, well ... that IS a pointless war with no long-term benefit for anyone. Not the Iraqis who will eventually fall into civil war. Not the USA which received NO oil contracts and lost over 5,000 soldiers, not for the region since Iraq is now destablized, not for secularism because Hussein was a secular ruler and his demise opens up the door for an Islamic fundamentalist to take power, and not for the economy which saw the price of everything spike because of the war.

But by and large, MOST wars have provided a long-term benefit for tens of millions of people.

by Bellatori Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:56 pm

Shirina wrote:
polyglide wrote:There has never been any war that has, long term, been of lasting benifit to anyone, the only one that will count is when the Devil is beaten.
Hmm, do you think the Holocaust survivors would agree with that statement? ....

Carthago delenda est... Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

by stuart torr Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:22 pm

Old Marcus Porcius, is he the one who defeated Ceasar?

by Bellatori Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:33 pm

stu wrote:Old Marcus Porcius, is he the one who defeated Ceasar?

I'd need to get out my Latin primer to check Very Happy

by stuart torr Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:04 pm

Don't mind being proved wrong mate.

by Heretic Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:48 pm

stu wrote:Old Marcus Porcius, is he the one who defeated Ceasar?

Sounds like Miss Piggy's fiancée

Heretic

by stuart torr Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:57 pm

You have me laughing my man, nice one Heretic.

by Bellatori Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:01 pm

Heretic wrote:
stu wrote:Old Marcus Porcius, is he the one who defeated Ceasar?
Sounds like Miss Piggy's fiancée

Heretic

That's three of the most awful jokes of yours that I have read in thelast three minutes. You are clearly a man without mercy and compassion Very Happy

by stuart torr Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:15 pm

Hey Bellatori he's got a brill sense of humour as he not:lol: Laughing

by Heretic Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:24 pm

Bellatori wrote:
Heretic wrote:
stu wrote:Old Marcus Porcius, is he the one who defeated Ceasar?
Sounds like Miss Piggy's fiancée

Heretic
That's three of the most awful jokes of yours that I have read in thelast three minutes. You are clearly a man without mercy and compassion

I'm on a roll tonight.

Heretic

by Shirina Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:27 pm

Heretic wrote:I'm on a roll tonight.

And now it's squashed. Crying or Very sad

by stuart torr Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:27 pm

Which roll Heretic ( ANDREX )

by Heretic Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:32 pm

stu wrote:Which roll Heretic ( ANDREX )

With jokes like this we won't get pa-roll.

Heretic

by stuart torr Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:36 pm

Hi Shirina, does our sense of humour have to stop now then?

by stuart torr Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:40 pm

Heretic, why did Shirina say your humour roll had been squashed.

by Shirina Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:19 am

Heh no ... he said he was on a roll ... like the kind you eat. So if he's ON a roll, then the roll must be squashed.

by Dan Fante Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:25 pm

Seeing as we're doing jokes.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:30 pm

polyglide wrote:There has never been any war that has, long term, been of lasting benifit to anyone, the only one that will count is when the Devil is beaten.

Perhaps you could offer a cogent explanation of why you believe your god, being omnipotent allows the "Devil" to exists at all?

by stuart torr Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:57 pm

Well he does Sheldon, lives next door but one to me. afraid

by Norm Deplume Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:26 pm

stu wrote:Well he does Sheldon, lives next door but one to me.:afraid:

Do you live at number 662 or 670?

by stuart torr Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:01 pm

662 Norm, don't half hear some funny goings on at night. afraid

by Kazza Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:35 pm

"...and no Islamic cartoons were used, for those of you who can't take a f...ing joke."

Thanks for posting that Dan, its brightened a rather dull day.

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