Is this another Tory scandal brewing? (Part 2)

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Maybe Goves wife will provide the job seekers with the money to buy her expensive facial creams, and maybe while she is at it she could take them out and buy them a new outfit to attend there interview with  so they can get a zero hour contract job.  

Well let us hope that they do not let him off lightly Phil and boot him out the door with a pair of size 12s.

I gather he will now join UKIP

99% chance of it boatlady, to say the least.

Stephen Dorrell is the Tory MP for Charnwood. He was health secretary from 1995 to 1997 in John Major’s government. He has been chairman of the select committee for health in the House of Commons. He voted in favour of the Health and Social Care Act of 2012, which opened the door for widespread privatisation of NHS services.

It transpires that Dorrell has started work today (1 December) for KPMG, a firm which is thinking of bidding for a £1 billion contract to manage the medical records of all patients. He has resigned from the health committee, but he intends to stay on as an MP until the general election. For the next five months it means that we have an MP, whose job is to serve the interests of his constituents, helping a private company in the frame for a multi-billion pound contract to run support services for the NHS.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/1billion-nhs-sell-off-scandal-tory-4724959

Yes in the news paper today Ivan, staying on as M.P. SO has conflicting interests, and earning an extra 57.000 pound til he leaves as M.P. HYPOCRITE.

Always good to hear of a selfless Public Servant benefitting from his labours on our behalf.

stuart torr wrote:Yes in the news paper today Ivan, staying on as M.P. SO has conflicting interests, and earning an extra 57.000 pound til he leaves as M.P. HYPOCRITE.

In todasys Daily Mirror stuart one of there reporters has been in Dorrells constituency, and his constituents are not happy bunnies one small bussineess man of a fast food outlet said "He won't have any more time for me than he did before". I think that says it all but I wonder if that constituency will be daft enough to vote Tory in May 2015

If they do Redflag then they are more stupid than anyone braindead.

A kleptocracy is a form of political and government corruption where the government exists to increase the personal wealth and political power of its officials and the ruling class at the expense of the wider population.

Norman Blackwell, who used to work for both Thatcher and Major, was given a peerage when Major was kicked out in 1997. He made his thoughts clear on the NHS in a 2002 pamphlet in which he advocated “breaking up the current state monopoly over healthcare”. Naturally he voted for the Health and Social Care Act of 2012, which wasn’t in either the Tory or Lib Dem manifestos.

Blackwell also collects £143k a year as chairman of Interserve plc, which was named last month as one of five shortlisted bidders for the sale of Staffordshire NHS’s cancer and end-of-life services. The £1.2billion price tag is the biggest NHS sell-off to date.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-lord-bid-snap-up-4736830

All hypocrites the lot of them.

What the BBC news bulletins I've heard today haven't made clear is that the Met is investigating the murder of at least one child by a Tory MP:-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/child-abuse-inquiry-met-police-investigate-alleged-murders-9933320.html

Clearly, this isn't going to go away - some anxious times for anyone involved

Bring it on. They need to be made anxious...

It'll spoil their Christmases - not that I have a whole lot of sympathy.

However, speaking as a retired social worker, I can never feel very happy about any witch hunt

Witch hunt? Isn't this a criminal enquiry?

What's not to feel happy about on that basis, boatlady...?

Exactly Phil, these are damn paedo's we are talking about here, and are they still in power running the bloody country? get them arrested
ASAP, and lock them away for as long as possible the bloody sick bastards.

The alleged offenses, vile as they were, took place in the '70's I believe, when standards of behaviour were somewhat different.

I imagine there are those who are guilty more by association than by any acts of their own who stand to lose a very great deal in the course of this investigation - and although I have nothing against due legal process and sanctions, there is bound to be an element of 'trial by media' which I would not wish on anyone.

I could wish this investigation had a much lower media profile as this will inevitably result in a number of unfounded assumptions being made that will not be helpful in terms of justice being done, and considerable collateral damage in terms of negative media exposure for individuals who have maybe not done anything wrong.

I always hate to hear the baying for blood of 'paedo's', as if paedophilia was alone in being a vile offence against decency; whereas, of course., it is only one of the very many vile and disgusting offences we as humans perpetrate against each other- I could cite rape, warfare, the wilful enforcement of oppressive legislation, genocide among the classes of human behaviour that are equally vile and that often attract a lesser degree of opprobrium, while arguably doing more harm to more people.

In the case of these alleged offences I would say the vileness consists less in the sexual contact between adults and children, although this is not culturally condoned any longer, and more in the egregious abuse of power. The cases have resonance at present just because we are in the hands of a feral government that regards us as 'stock', 'plebs' and less than fully human - it seems a shame to lose this perspective in an orgy of salacious mass hysteria about paedophilia.

I hope I'm making sense here - this is all a bit off-the-cuff

It is not the fault of a criminal enquiry what a corrupt media makes of it. To give any form of comfort, protection, or shelter to child abusers by not fully pursuing whatever evidence may still exist would be a betrayal of those poor kids who suffered.

If we start 'backing off' such enquiries because the press might 'big it up' would be just what those responsible for the alleged crimes would want. If that wouldn't be an abuse of power, I don't know what would!

Very much so Phil, I mean you join the army or the marines ETC expecting to be sent into battle, Rape is still a disgusting act, but I feel far less disgusting than the same act against a child,,boatlady if it were one of your children, would you feel so calm about these disgusting paedophiles then?

boatlady said: "The alleged offenses, vile as they were, took place in the '70's I believe, when standards of behaviour were somewhat different"

I am having a serious problem getting my head around that statement boatlady. The standards of what behaviour were somewhat different, Was not a sexual attack by a paedophile a disgusting crime against the child victims and if one of the filthy bastards only watched, he was in my mind equally guilty.
I was born in Pimlico and know it very well. there are thousands of lampposts around many more than suitable to hang the nonces by their nuts and let the magpies pick at their eyes.

Nice one bobby.

An investigation into illegal bribes allegedly paid to foreign buyers of British defence material was squashed by Government edict.  What else might receive similar treatment?

I know what you mean OW, especially whilst they are in power too.
Bloody amazing what you can achieve when you are in power is it not.

"The alleged offenses, vile as they were, took place in the '70's I believe, when standards of behaviour were somewhat different"


Another example might be Classical Greece, where sexual contact between a man and a boy was normal and socially approved - we now think this is wrong, although back then I believe it was almost considered a vital part of a cultured youth's education to have an older lover.

In the '70's, although sexual contact between adults and children was not a widely approved social norm, neither was it strongly disapproved of in the way it is today, not was it as clearly defined as now - sexual norms generally were quite different in the '70's - as  I believe we're all old enough to remember.

The more serious offence, to my mind, was the abuse of power by wealthy individuals - without any sexual contact, that abuse of power remains the major issue, and to my mind to focus on the titillating theme of paedophilia, as the media doubtless will, is to lose sight of the wider and more egregious point - that there are individuals in positions of power who believe that their needs and wants are of more importance than the life, safety and happiness of everybody else.

That is what we're seeing with this government - that is what we see every time a nation or a political or religious group decides to make war - and that is the mind-set that needs to be challenged and eradicated.

Buggering little boys is a crime - buggering whole generations of powerless people and destroying whole communities in the name of a 'principle' or the notion of entitlement is to my mind a much greater crime, and one that largely goes unchallenged because we're distracted by the 'paedo' sideshow.

I appreciate it's a fine point, and people may feel I'm splitting hairs - also perhaps I'm not expressing myself well; however, I guess I feel, while we're hating 'paedo's' we're maybe forgetting to hate the more insidious habits of thought that can make any of us into just such a monster.

Phil is of course right - just because the media will make a sideshow of it does not mean we should fail to hunt down and punish criminals

A criminal is a criminal is a criminal, they should be hunted down and prosecuted.

boatlady. I understand your concern about witch hunts. I’ve never forgotten an occasion when ‘The Sun’ stirred up its ignorant readers, after which a pediatrician in Portsmouth was beaten up by thugs who weren’t capable of differentiating between people who care for children and those who abuse them. So I agree with you that the media can be a big problem in cases such as this. I also have no time for some of the gung-ho people on Twitter who have never done anything wrong in their lives and set themselves up as paragons of virtue.

If a child is abused, there is a strong chance that its whole life will be ruined. That person will have difficulty in making healthy relationships with others in adulthood and, even worse, they can sometimes become abusers themselves. In other words, a paedophile can set in motion a chain of abuse which could go on for generations. I don’t doubt that those who were defiled in the 1970s and 1980s by this powerful elite are still suffering, whilst those perpetrators who are still alive are getting off scot-free.

The passage of time doesn’t lessen a crime, and this new announcement from the Met indicates that up to three children weren’t just abused in the early 1980s, they were also murdered. The man whose evidence is accepted by the police as “credible and true” says he suffered for nine years but was too terrified to do anything about it. He thinks that one of the boys – who was deliberately run over – was killed as a warning to him and others to keep their mouths shut.

Some of the abusers are dead and can therefore be named without any possible legal action ensuing – Tory politicians Edward Heath, Keith Joseph, Rhodes Boyson and Peter Morrison, along with Liberal Cyril Smith. Allegedly the late Tory minister Michael Havers was present at a swimming pool party during a Tory conference when one or more boys suffered abuse. Edwina Currie, who astoundingly handed the keys to Broadmoor to Jimmy Savile (when Ken Clarke was health secretary), says she was aware that Morrison had sex with young men below the age of consent (when it was still 21 for homosexuals). Leon Brittan managed to lose a dossier about this paedophile ring which was handed to him by the late Geoffrey Dickens, and William Hague seems to have had a memory lapse about his time as Welsh secretary.

A witch hunt is an investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities, but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views. Those dead paedophiles have escaped justice, but one victim has claimed that an abuser from the 1980s has been a minister in the current government, which makes this issue a hot political potato. However, although some of us won’t be displeased if a lot of Tory skeletons fall out of the cupboard, this is first and foremost a murder inquiry by the police rather than a witch hunt.

In full and total agreement Ivan, it is a murder inquiry is it not?

David Cameron told Theresa May's advisers 'to break Civil Service code'

Extracts from an article by Oliver Wright:-

Cameron ordered two of May's advisers to break their Civil Service terms of employment to campaign for the Tories in two by-elections. Nick Timothy and Stephen Parkinson defied his order to take part in telephone canvassing for the Rochester and Newark by-elections. Cameron is understood subsequently to have agreed that they should be struck off the party’s approved list of candidates for the next election.

Cameron’s edict appears to breach the special advisers’ code of conduct which states that if special advisers “wish to take part in a by-election campaign they must first resign their appointment”. May is believed to be backing her two advisers in the dispute after correspondence was leaked between Timothy and the chairman of Aldridge-Brownhills Conservative Association where he had been on a shortlist of candidates to fight the seat. It is understood that relations between May and Downing Street are “awful”.

In the wake of the row, the Cabinet Office has appeared to alter its previous advice to special advisers. In an initial response it said they could use their own time “to take part in back-office activities” which would not be “inconsistent with the code”. It later put out another statement saying that telephone canvassing was not incompatible with the code.

It also emerged that Osborne and Danny Alexander both gave their special advisers large pay rises last year, despite imposing below-inflation pay caps on millions of public sector workers.

For the whole article:-
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-told-theresa-mays-advisers-to-break-civil-service-code-9934589.html

Crafty bastards, all they are trying to do is keep Theresa may quiet,
prior to the elections so she does not open her mouth and start dropping a few of them in the shit.

oftenwrong wrote:Cameron knows that UKIP is effectively the rebellious right-wing of the Tory party, so any votes for them open the door wide for a Miliband government.

The potential danger for Labour supporters is a Scottish "YES" vote to separation, which would remove that important element of the Labour party from Westminster, resulting in a permanent Tory majority.

I think I'll just check to make sure my passport is still valid.

I am getting sick of the dirty tactics of the SNP, they want Cameron back in No10 so that Scots will start screaming Independence that is the only reason that the SNP want to win more seats in HOC so they can get what they want not what is best for Scotland OW.

IVAN Tories do not feel because they all have "BRASS NECKS" all they need is a "TIN of BRASSO & a DUSTER" they also they do not have a heart more like a Swinging Brick. Just to let you know Ivan I will be going down to Shaffield (Hallam) to give Oliver Coppard a hand for a week from 4th/5th of March untl the 11th/12th of March after that I would like to go to Fester McVeys seat in Liverpool and put her constituents in the true picture of what she really is "A LYING COW".

Today's Mirror Ivan? money making bastards are they not?

Another Tory scandal brewing? No, just par for the course.  

NHS Contract Awarded To Private Firm Despite Rival Bid Being “£7 Million Cheaper”

From an article by Solomon Hughes:-

"An £80 million contract to run cancer scans for the NHS has been given to a private health firm with a Tory MP on their board, despite a rival NHS consortium allegedly offering to carry out the work for £7 million less.

The NHS Trust that runs Royal Stoke University Hospital in Staffordshire put together a consortium with other NHS hospitals to enter what they called a 'competitive bid' for a 10-year contract to run scans across Cheshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire, Liverpool and Lancashire. The scans, known as PET-CT, are mostly used for diagnosing and measuring cancers and are a vital tool for fighting the disease. However, NHS England, the ‘head office’ of the health service, rejected the bid from state-run providers and instead awarded the contract to Alliance Medical, a private health firm whose board members include Conservative MP Malcolm Rifkind.

Rifkind gets around £60,000 a year to sit on Alliance Medical’s board, according to public records. He is a prominent backbencher in a government whose health policy is now enriching his own company. Alliance Medical has a turnover of around £120 million a year, so this scanning contract, worth an estimated £8 million a year, is a significant part of its work."

http://www.buzzfeed.com/solomonhughes/nhs-contract-stoke

IVAN I think these Tory MPs need to face a Judge in a court of Law for there criminal acts against the people of the UK. Ed also needs to show the public just exactly how the Tories have acted during there 5 years in office by putting the paperwork out there so the people can see and the Tories cannot LIE there way out of it.

Redflag all that litter in the streets, they would only blame Ed for something else then would they not.

Just vote Labour - you know it makes sense.

Makes the only obvious sense anyway OW does it not.

Tory MP Made 734 Wrong Expenses Claims

From an article by Anushka Asthana:-

Bob Blackman, the Conservative MP for Harrow East, is being asked to pay back just over £1,000 in travel expenses. The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority found that he had made 734 claims relating to car travel that were "incorrect or not allowable" since January 2013. It has also said it will consider investigating claims before January 2013 after the report revealed he had been warned about his high mileage claims since 2011.

In a provisional report, the expenses watchdog said it began investigating Mr Blackman after seeing that his local mileage claims were around twice the average for constituencies across the UK and six times higher than in other suburban London seats. It found that a number of claims were twice the distance shown on Google maps. Some were also accompanied by a ‘tweet’ from him or his wife, it added, suggesting it related to travel to and from political canvassing or campaigning events, for which expenses are not claimable. He claimed a two-mile journey to Harrow Weald as 10 miles.

http://news.sky.com/story/1421159/tory-mp-made-734-wrong-expenses-claims

They work for you. (When not working for themselves)

With all the millions they all have OW, it is just the interest working for them is it not gaining more each day.