How long do you think the coalition will last?

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I want people's opinion of how long they think this coalition will last. ?

betty.noire wrote:
He is someone I just don’t warm to, he just seems to come over as a bit if a wimp, I would prefer to see someone with a bit of dirt under their fingernails

Across the political spectrum we are ill served by our current crop of politicians, I suppose it's just indicative of broader problems with our society

And what about Scam..er..on and Gideon they do not have any dirt under there nails and there hands are as soft as a babies bottom showing that they have never done a hard days work in there life and more than likely never will, so before you start damning Ed Miliband take a good hard look at the shower of sycophants that are supposed to be running the UK.

Our Leaders are acting more and more like the patrician aristocrats who ruled England before the Union with Scotland.

Any time now they may be expected to readopt the plumed hats, lace cuffs and stiff collars that denoted "a Gentleman".

And what about Scam..er..on and Gideon they do not have any dirt under there nails and there hands are as soft as a babies bottom showing that they have never done a hard days work in there life and more than likely never will, so before you start damning Ed Miliband take a good hard look at the shower of sycophants that are supposed to be running the UK..

The problem Redflag is the question asks...after the coalition, what next?...And betty gave her opinion on Miliband and also said we are ill served by our current crop of politicians. You can't really put her down for her honest opinion and she doesn't comes across as a Tory either.

So this is the issue you have Red.......You can slate the coalition all you like (and rightly so in some cases) but if your own party leader is not electable in the eyes of the majority in the uk, then you have little hope of regaining power. Labour already experienced this in the 80's and early 90's...to the public if you are not sure and if you don't have the confidence in the opposition then it's a 'better the devil you know' senario.

You can sit here and write 10 pages on how bad you think Cameron and Osbourne are, but you will never get away from the fact that Miliband is weak, has no strategy, no focus, no direction, no policies and no backbone....Oh and not much support from his own MP's either or they would have voted for him and not his brother.
In my opinion he will either step down before the next GE or lose the GE and then step down and the next Labour PM will be Chuka Umunna, but that's going to be a good few years from now....You heard it here first on Blueturando news, coming to you live from somewhere off the coast of France

Redflag wrote:

betty.noire wrote:It's not fair expecting my Grandchildren to pay off Browns debts

I have Grandchildren 5 in fact, they will not be paying off Gordon Brown's debt they will be paying off the RUDDY BANKERS DEBT, its about time you Tory voters told the TRUTH or is that a dirty word in your book just remember Gordon had to BORROW £45 BILLION to bail out RBS and a little less for HBOS also Northern Rock and Bradford & Bingley so if you want too come on here and spout about the DEFICIT tell the truth THE WHOLE TRUTH.

If it had been up too me I would have let them all go down the PLUG HOLE after all they wanted a night at the CASINO let them do what the rest of us have to do pay for it Themselves at the moment its the poor and vulnerable that are paying for it with pay freezes cuts and the final slap in the face is loosing there job, and that in my book is not FAIR but then again the Tories have never been fair either this Gov't or Thatchers Gov't.

Redflag, It was Thatcher who deregulated the banks in the first place over 30 years ago, and New Labour under Blair and Brown continued the deregulated banks, and the free market Thatcher brought in, in the 80's.

The Tories are using the deficit as an excuse to run down to role of the State, and I'm wondering how long this will continue before the media start challenging it ???????????????????

blueturando wrote:

And what about Scam..er..on and Gideon they do not have any dirt under there nails and there hands are as soft as a babies bottom showing that they have never done a hard days work in there life and more than likely never will, so before you start damning Ed Miliband take a good hard look at the shower of sycophants that are supposed to be running the UK..

The problem Redflag is the question asks...after the coalition, what next?...And betty gave her opinion on Miliband and also said we are ill served by our current crop of politicians. You can't really put her down for her honest opinion and she doesn't comes across as a Tory either.

So this is the issue you have Red.......You can slate the coalition all you like (and rightly so in some cases) but if your own party leader is not electable in the eyes of the majority in the uk, then you have little hope of regaining power. Labour already experienced this in the 80's and early 90's...to the public if you are not sure and if you don't have the confidence in the opposition then it's a 'better the evil you know' senario.

You can sit here and right 10 pages on how bad you think Cameron and Osbourne are, but you will never get away from the fact that Miliband is weak, has no strategy, no focus, no direction, no policies and no backbone....Oh and not much support from his own MP's either or they would have voted for him and not his brother.
In my opinion he will either step down before the next GE or lose the GE and then step down and the next Labour PM will be Chuka Umunna, but that's going to be a good few years from now....You heard it here first on Blueturando news, coming to you live from somewhere off the coast of France

Im glad to see your an honest Tory so thank you blue, I know that he has not got the Gaul of Scam..er..on or the ability to LIE with a strait face like CLEGG, but by the time the next GE comes around they will see what Ed Miliband has been saying and telling people like it is the Truth and what Scam..er..on and his Cohorts has been saying is LIES with a tad truth mixed in, and come next month when families have to face the cuts and see what they mean to there incomes while the bankers that HELPED to put us in the mess where facing and that is another bone of contention they always say in the H.O.C Labours Mess never the bankers night at the CASINO with a bit from Labour not regulating the banks properly.

So if you are expecting for the entire UK to vote Tory at the next GE think again by then the good people of the UK would rather vote in the BNP than have another Tory Gov't for making them pay for something that was not of there doing but the people that where guilty of that are getting wage increases and bonuses while the working man has had neither even though they have been working hard and trying not to moan too much but sometimes enough is enough and that is what will happen at the GE whether that is in 2015 or earlier.

You say that Ed Miliband will not be voted for because he has not got the appeal or Gaul of Scam..er..on, and voting for Scam..er..on would leave them with an unpleasant taste in there mouth you seem to forget the only people that will or would vote Tory would be the top 10% the ones that the cuts he has brought in has not touched so dream on Blue its either Labour or a BNP Gov't they could not be worse than what we have right now.

Red.....I believe any GE will be a close run thing, with the possiblility of a hung parliament once again. I certainly do not believe the Tories or Labour would win a landslide victory, but either could just gain and overall majority.

Lets face it, there is a lot of politics to play out before the next GE and anything could and probably will happen. As a Tory I hope Miliband stays in charge...I don't say this to just to be nasty, I just don't believe he has what it takes to win a GE over Cameron.

Seeing as David Miliband is unlikely to be up for leader again I believe Labour have to look to the future to find their next Blair or better still 'Britains Obama'....Is Chukka that man? I think so

you seem to forget the only people that will or would vote Tory would be the top 10% the ones that the cuts he has brought in has not touched so dream on Blue

Thatcher cut just as much and won 3 elections......slightly more than 10% of the vote I think.......so dream on Red

Blueturando, what medication are you on. The next election probably wont be for another three years, and at this point in his leadership of the Labour Party, ED Milliband is higher in the polls than was Herr Cameron at the same time. I did at one time lived in the hope that the wimp Clegg would have developed a backbone and pulled this Coalition down, but I was wrong, he will hang on for as long as he can just to keep hold on the power he now enjoys. He knows as well as we do, and I expect you do, come next election the lib-dems will breath their last (politically) as will many of the present Tories, especially most of the current front bench. It has been said many times as to what Edd Milliband will do, but until Labour get fair media coverage, people will have to wait a bit longer.

As I said before Labour has a proven record for growth, less unemployment and less borrowing.

So may I suggest you just keep wondering, as the evidence is there, its just that you are so full of the Daily Mail, you can not or will not see anything else.

bobby wrote:blueturando wrote : I just don't believe he has what it takes to win a GE over Cameron.


If you mean he is not as accomplished Liar and a Cheat as Herr Milliband, you are right. The problem you have is that Edd Milliband has 3 years to show us his qualities, whereas Herr Cameron Has 3 Years for the Public to see tha damage he will have done by the next GE. It is you who needs to dream on if you think Herr Cameron will be anywhere near a win in 3 years time. Just look how different he is already to the man you voted for after just 2 years. He hasn’t got a chance.

Your right on the button bobby, after his cuts and forcing the normal working man to pay for the Right Royal Fcuk up by the banks and then allowing them to get pay increases plus bonuses and the normal man having to take pay cuts and freezes and the ultimate loosing there job, so at the moment for definate there is 2.67 Million that will not be voting Tory at the next GE.

there is 2.67 Million that will not be voting Tory at the next GE..

Well at least Labour will get some votes this time then

Labour got quite a lot of votes last time. 29% in fact against the Lib-Dems 23%. Which should give Labour more than 50% at the next General Election.

Why, if the Tories are so keen on not lumbering 'our grandchildren' with the current 'national debt/deficit', I can never tell which one it is they are trying to get down' is Gideon talking about this government issuing 100 year Bonds?

Will this not limber our Great, Great Grandchildern with the debt?

I might buy one when I'm 100.

Not now, I can wait a fortnight.

blueturando's map has some very large blue swathes shown upon it .

Some of those areas have as many as five people living in them...

bluetyrando, OW's post gets to the knub of it.
I very much doubt any present Labour member or supporter will vote for anyone other than Labour, whereas we will see some Tories change sides, and they won’t go Lib-Dem as they hate them as much if not more than we (Labour ) do, and I doubt that come the next Election they will have a Party who can compete in a game of tiddlywinks let alone to Govern a country.
That leaves the Lib-Dems themselves, where do you think they will turn, many have already changed their allegiance to Labour as will many more at various time leading up to the next GE.
Others Tories may make their choice either BNP or UKIP both parties follow the same Tory principles, but I shouldn’t think too many will take that route. Labours victory IMHO is assured.
What matters now is the damage your beloved Tories will do to Britain whilst still in unelected power, and the “MESS LABOUR WILL INHERIT FROM THE CONSERVATIVES”

Phil Hornby wrote:blueturando's map has some very large blue swathes shown upon it .

Some of those areas have as many as five people living in them...

Five people and a Police Horse where Rebecca resides.

MESS LABOUR WILL INHERIT FROM THE CONSERVATIVES

Well if this is the case it may make Labour act responsibly with tax payers money next time...Maybe Cameron could leave a not saying 'Sorry there is no money left'.

blueturando wrote:

MESS LABOUR WILL INHERIT FROM THE CONSERVATIVES

Well if this is the case it may make Labour act responsibly with tax payers money next time...Maybe Cameron could leave a not saying 'Sorry there is no money left'.

We just need to plant some of those socialist money trees

betty.noire wrote:

blueturando wrote:

MESS LABOUR WILL INHERIT FROM THE CONSERVATIVES

Well if this is the case it may make Labour act responsibly with tax payers money next time...Maybe Cameron could leave a not saying 'Sorry there is no money left'.

We just need to plant some of those socialist money trees

Those money trees are called the rich, and we should shake them very thoroughly. After that there's be no problem.

Penderyn - is that a picture of you going to the Cashtill to withdraw some money to fill up your car with fuel..?

I've just got in from town. A brieg glimpse at one dailies headline screams that the government are going to have all forms, Government, Tax, and private companies, re-issued without the terms Mr and Mrs being used.

If this is true it's going to take millions that could be spent on the poor and needy.

I only got a brief glimpse because it was busy, but I nearly said a few words that even a battle hardened soldier shouldn't hear.

Has anyone else seen it. If they have, please tell me it isn't true.

It looks to be true, trevor! But relax. A private company will probably get the job. So that's ok then...

Quote Phil.

t looks to be true, trevor! But relax. A private company will probably get the job. So that's ok then...

Ah. The old boy network. That means it will cost us twice as much as using the usual printers. Called 'cutting costs' apparently by this government. Can't argue with that.

Another thing. It is said that Obama and Cameron have agreed to release some oil reserves to help lower prices. Cameron and the cabinet are draining their ministerial limos and going to ride around on ex-police horses. Ooops:)

Those money trees are called the rich, and we should shake them very thoroughly. After that there's be no problem..

Penderyn......There we have it, the Party and politics of Envy...But! People wouldn't get rich if you had your way, the forest would be bare...no trees to shake

blueturando wrote:

Those money trees are called the rich, and we should shake them very thoroughly. After that there's be no problem..

Penderyn......There we have it, the Party and politics of Envy...But! People wouldn't get rich if you had your way, the forest would be bare...no trees to shake

I envy these crooks as much as I envy a fart: all they do is rob us. We wouldn't need money if we took back our property and got on with living. You're brainwashed, if you ask me.

Penderyn wrote:

blueturando wrote:

Those money trees are called the rich, and we should shake them very thoroughly. After that there's be no problem..

Penderyn......There we have it, the Party and politics of Envy...But! People wouldn't get rich if you had your way, the forest would be bare...no trees to shake

I envy these crooks as much as I envy a fart: all they do is rob us. We wouldn't need money if we took back our property and got on with living. You're brainwashed, if you ask me.

The have been put through the Tory party sausage machine which increases there Ideology and political Dogma.

astradt1 wrote:Why, if the Tories are so keen on not lumbering 'our grandchildren' with the current 'national debt/deficit', I can never tell which one it is they are trying to get down' is Gideon talking about this government issuing 100 year Bonds?

Will this not limber our Great, Great Grandchildern with the debt?

That is funny the only debt our grandchildren will face will be what ever MESS THE TORIES LEAVE AT THERE A**ES.

Many people must be asking how come the Tories and Liberal Democrats are doing a lot of things they promised they would never do before the 2010 election.

For example, they promised no top-down reorganisation of the NHS, and they promised they wouldn’t raise tuition fees or VAT. They promised to increase police by 3,000 and midwives by the same number, they promised to protect the fire services from cuts, they promised to keep child benefit universal, and they promised to protect Sure Start centres. They promised no new nuclear power stations, they promised to keep the Educational Maintenance Allowance and the Future Jobs Fund, and they promised no cuts to the Armed Forces. They promised to scrap control orders and deportation orders to countries which torture, they promised prison for possession of a knife, they promised pensioners their accrued pension rights would be secure, and they even promised us they would be the greenest government ever!

When I read Tory supporters on here saying that they think their lovely party will win a majority at the next election - which would require them to gain seats - I ask myself who in their right mind would vote for them next time if they didn't support them in 2010?

Ivan wrote:Many people must be asking how come the Tories and Liberal Democrats are doing a lot of things they promised they would never do before the 2010 election.

For example, they promised no top-down reorganisation of the NHS, and they promised they wouldn’t raise tuition fees or VAT. They promised to increase police by 3,000 and midwives by the same number, they promised to protect the fire services from cuts, they promised to keep child benefit universal, and they promised to protect Sure Start centres. They promised no new nuclear power stations, they promised to keep the Educational Maintenance Allowance and the Future Jobs Fund, and they promised no cuts to the Armed Forces. They promised to scrap control orders and deportation orders to countries which torture, they promised prison for possession of a knife, they promised pensioners their accrued pension rights would be secure, and they even promised us they would be the greenest government ever!

When I read Tory supporters on here saying that they think their lovely party will win a majority at the next election - which would require them to gain seats - I ask myself who in their right mind would vote for them next time if they didn't support them in 2010?

Ivan, Tory supporters are like the Hitler youth, totally brainwashed.

Ivan wrote:Many people must be asking how come the Tories and Liberal Democrats are doing a lot of things they promised they would never do before the 2010 election.

For example, they promised no top-down reorganisation of the NHS, and they promised they wouldn’t raise tuition fees or VAT. They promised to increase police by 3,000 and midwives by the same number, they promised to protect the fire services from cuts, they promised to keep child benefit universal, and they promised to protect Sure Start centres. They promised no new nuclear power stations, they promised to keep the Educational Maintenance Allowance and the Future Jobs Fund, and they promised no cuts to the Armed Forces. They promised to scrap control orders and deportation orders to countries which torture, they promised prison for possession of a knife, they promised pensioners their accrued pension rights would be secure, and they even promised us they would be the greenest government ever!

When I read Tory supporters on here saying that they think their lovely party will win a majority at the next election - which would require them to gain seats - I ask myself who in their right mind would vote for them next time if they didn't support them in 2010?

Ivan you have never said a truer word, who in there right mind would vote Tory after all the broken promises and if the newspapers are correct about Gideon cutting the 50p tax rate you would imagine all hell breaking loose, there is something in todays papers about pay been lower in the north and higher in the south (last nights Newsnight) plus all the cuts that will be coming in next Month.

And there is another prize for the well off pensioners they will get there CPI rate rise but if you are a poor pensioner with NO works pension you will loose, because if you get pension credits the rise will come off that so the cost of living increase will not be £5.20 per week but a lot less and they are the ones that keep harping on about Labours 75p rise a few years ago I just wonder how much of the £5.20 todays poor pensioners will get? the divide in the North and South wages is in todays Guardian.

"....And there is another prize for the well off pensioners they will get there CPI rate rise but if you are a poor pensioner with NO works pension you will loose, because if you get pension credits the rise will come off that ...."

Was that Ivanhoe's writing? Pension Credits are intended to level the actual receipts of those State Pensioners who do NOT have a pension from their Employer. It's a bit unlikely that anyone would have both a works pension AND compensation for not having a works pension.

oftenwrong wrote:"....And there is another prize for the well off pensioners they will get there CPI rate rise but if you are a poor pensioner with NO works pension you will loose, because if you get pension credits the rise will come off that ...."

Was that Ivanhoe's writing? Pension Credits are intended to level the actual receipts of those State Pensioners who do NOT have a pension from their Employer. It's a bit unlikely that anyone would have both a works pension AND compensation for not having a works pension.

No it wasnt my writing, but I'll tell you this, Pensions Credits were and are a means test system intended to pit the elderly against each other, as all means testing is, and does.

The means test for pensioners is absolutely more expensive in administrations costs than if the Government paid out a decent State pension re-linked to male average earnings.

Also the right wing we have had since Thatcher, do not believe in the role of the State, or the State pension.

Hence the Government pay out a diminished State pension and merans tested handouts via an excessivelly costly beaurocratic means test system, because the low state pension isnt about cost, its about ideoligy, it's about arrogance.

" ....merans tested handouts via an excessivelly costly beaurocratic means test system...."

So the answer must be to continue paying Pensions, Child Benefit and Winter Fuel allowance to millionaires anyway.

oftenwrong wrote:" ....merans tested handouts via an excessivelly costly beaurocratic means test system...."

So the answer must be to continue paying Pensions, Child Benefit and Winter Fuel allowance to millionaires anyway.

Precisely. We must have a universial welfare State, and not a welfare State based on means testing. We must go the European way.

oftenwrong wrote:"....And there is another prize for the well off pensioners they will get there CPI rate rise but if you are a poor pensioner with NO works pension you will loose, because if you get pension credits the rise will come off that ...."

Was that Ivanhoe's writing? Pension Credits are intended to level the actual receipts of those State Pensioners who do NOT have a pension from their Employer. It's a bit unlikely that anyone would have both a works pension AND compensation for not having a works pension.

As you say 'it is unlikely', but exceptional cases exist. I have just sorted out the pension of an elderly lady who, due to circumstances, was only receiving the basic state pension and a small employers pension, via deceased husband. We managed to get substantial pension credit, free council tax and rent. She's better off than I am now.

Every pensioner should look at their income and see if they are getting all they are entitled to. If I see a pensioner struggling I sometimes, at the right time, and tactfully, bring the subject up, usually with the relatives (sons and daughters). So far I have never had a black eye for 'intrusion'.

trevorw2539 wrote:

oftenwrong wrote:"....And there is another prize for the well off pensioners they will get there CPI rate rise but if you are a poor pensioner with NO works pension you will loose, because if you get pension credits the rise will come off that ...."

Was that Ivanhoe's writing? Pension Credits are intended to level the actual receipts of those State Pensioners who do NOT have a pension from their Employer. It's a bit unlikely that anyone would have both a works pension AND compensation for not having a works pension.

As you say 'it is unlikely', but exceptional cases exist. I have just sorted out the pension of an elderly lady who, due to circumstances, was only receiving the basic state pension and a small employers pension, via deceased husband. We managed to get substantial pension credit, free council tax and rent. She's better off than I am now.

Every pensioner should look at their income and see if they are getting all they are entitled to. If I see a pensioner struggling I sometimes, at the right time, and tactfully, bring the subject up, usually with the relatives (sons and daughters). So far I have never had a black eye for 'intrusion'.

I am not yet a pensioner, yet way back in 1980, when The basic State pension was cut by the then PM, Margaret Thatcher, I thought then, as I think now, that Britain's pensioners have been sidelined, descrimated against, marginalised, because their contributary basic State pension no longer increased with British prosperity. And it should.

I do not believe that our elderly people should be forced to have to go "cap in hand" for means tested State handouts. I believe the State pension should be substantially higher, and that means testing should be abolished.

\Ivanhoe quote

I do not believe that our elderly people should be forced to have to go "cap in hand" for means tested State handouts. I believe the State pension should be substantially higher, and that means testing should be abolished.

Totally agree. I am a pensioner. Though I am not entitled to credit I do get some rent and council tax relief.

Don't really care about the 'means test' myself.

I'm not a proud man. If I'm entitled I'll have it. I worked hard all my life. But I do take your point about the means testing.

Apart from the initial form filling these days most of the work is done by DWP. Haven't filled in a form for years.

Hang on, is that the postman:lol!:

trevorw2539 wrote:\Ivanhoe quote

I do not believe that our elderly people should be forced to have to go "cap in hand" for means tested State handouts. I believe the State pension should be substantially higher, and that means testing should be abolished.

Totally agree. I am a pensioner. Though I am not entitled to credit I do get some rent and council tax relief.

Don't really care about the 'means test' myself.

I'm not a proud man. If I'm entitled I'll have it. I worked hard all my life. But I do take your point about the means testing.

Apart from the initial form filling these days most of the work is done by DWP. Haven't filled in a form for years.

Hang on, is that the postman:lol!:

Trevor, your levity is noted, I would love to know your age ?, just curious.

The thing is that this issue has nothing to do with pride. When you have worked hard all your life and paid taxes and NI contrbutions, then you have an entlement to a decent pension care of the State, and not a State pension so low that it demands and ensures you must be means tested for handouts.

It's a disgrace whichever way you look at it.

Several other European nations pay greater pensions to their elderly than Britain does. Many of those nations are coincidentally queueing for loans from the ECB in order to continue doing so. The patriotic thing to do is die gracefully on the day you retire from gainful employment.

Quote Ivanhoe.

The thing is that this issue has nothing to do with pride. When you

have worked hard all your life and paid taxes and NI contrbutions, then you have an entlement to a decent pension care of the State, and not a State pension so low that it demands and ensures you must be means tested for handouts.


Yes, absolutely. But realistically it is not going to happen until the OAP's have their say. That will happen in the future when they will be a major minority, so to speak.

There has to be pressure on the parties before an election, and the pressure has to remain - no broken promises. And, as you know, that is not in the make-up of many politicians.

As I posted recently. The 3d arts Politicians must learn. Democracy, diplomacy and duplicity.



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