How long do you think the coalition will last?

by Ivanhoe Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:28 am

First topic message reminder :

I want people's opinion of how long they think this coalition will last. ?

by astra Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:56 pm

You should, certainly in my time, have had written contract within 3 months.

Hello Trevor Smile

My son in law, after 3 years on the dole, has 6 months ago landed a good job. Company are very happy with him - good worker, takes ALL the overtime they throw at him. NOW 6 months is up, he HAS to go on the dole for 4 or 5 weeks, the break in service means that the company get a BENEFIT - a HANDOUT! from the dole for re-employing him again. I mean, it is the bosses who are complaining about the "Little People" getting hand outs, but they are not so slow on taking advantage themselves. I just wonder what this is going to do to affect his pension. Probably why Madge wanted the Pension "To Wither On the VINE!! Twisted Evil

"!

And NO he does not have a contract of employment.

by oftenwrong Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:17 pm

There are, unsurprisingly, two sides to Employment Law. A small business can be crippled if a female employee takes a year off to have a baby, because of maternity benefits, and sick-pay can be a drain on investment resources, particularly if someone else has to be paid to provide temporary cover. The Trade Union movement provides invaluable assistance to staff who are being taken advantage of by unscrupulous employers, but of course their strength comes from numbers. UNITE is currently in the news on behalf of petrol tanker drivers, but can't do very much in the case of a firm that only has one employee.

What that single employee CAN do, however, is to write to their MP. That sometimes proves astonishingly effective in a marginal constituency.

by astra Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:44 pm

Very true OW,

This is a fair sized American outfit, who appear to be running the factory on a shoestring, and they appear to be "good" employers in most other ways, but to see son in law languishing just now, is not fair.

It takes MORE than 3 weeks for his dole money to come forward, and his pride gets hurt taking money off of both sets of oldies just to pay the bills!

Camercon DEPENDING on the aged to sort out his phuk ups!

by blueturando Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:52 pm

For what it's worth...the guy I work for is a millionaire near as damn it. He employs me for 16hrs min wage as it means he doesn't have to pay tax or insurance for me. I have no contract and don't even get a wage slip anymore as they cost him money.

Adele....As other posters have said, your employer is breaking the law. My company is in Recruitment and even though I am based in Jersey all our employment laws are exactly the as the UK. All employees full or part time must be provided with a signed contract of employment with 3 months of their start date. All employees are entitled to a wage slip detailing gross & net salary and deductions. He is breaking the law here on many levels and I know you don't want to rock the boat, but I would seek advice from the CAB if I were you

by blueturando Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:04 am

Blue I fully appreciate your honesty, and am impressed by your stating what you have after many, many months of stout Tory defence and I’d take my hat off to you, if I wore one.

I don’t know quite how you feel you want things to go in politics and will not crow over your revelation, but I’m sure that after some serious considerations, you will make an informed decision and lend your support to whoever you think will be best for the UK. Time I guess will tell. Bob

Thank you Bobby and I do appreciate you not going down the 'I told you so' route. When someone is loyal to one party or another they will always try to see the best in them and support what they are trying to achieve up to a point....well for me that point has been reached and well and truely passed. I don't think I am the only Tory who now feels this way, far from it. The way Cameron and his crew are acting seems like political suicide to me...or maybe they have been smoking to much of the herb? Anyway Miliband must be rolling around the floor p*ssing his pants with laughter....Unfortunately the situation we are in is not funny at all

by Red Cat Woman Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:41 am

blueturando wrote:
Blue I fully appreciate your honesty, and am impressed by your stating what you have after many, many months of stout Tory defence and I’d take my hat off to you, if I wore one.

I don’t know quite how you feel you want things to go in politics and will not crow over your revelation, but I’m sure that after some serious considerations, you will make an informed decision and lend your support to whoever you think will be best for the UK. Time I guess will tell. Bob

Thank you Bobby and I do appreciate you not going down the 'I told you so' route. When someone is loyal to one party or another they will always try to see the best in them and support what they are trying to achieve up to a point....well for me that point has been reached and well and truely passed. I don't think I am the only Tory who now feels this way, far from it. The way Cameron and his crew are acting seems like political suicide to me...or maybe they have been smoking to much of the herb? Anyway Miliband must be rolling around the floor p*ssing his pants with laughter....Unfortunately the situation we are in is not funny at all

Let put it this way. As a Woman of 28 years old the Tory party and them yellow Tories can go to Hell. I sick to death of seeing Woman, young, Old, and plan poor picking up all the main cuts in there income to pay for just 10% of Fat white middle aged City bankers. Who Cameron believe will only stay in the UK if there Tax is cut to 45p while we are expected to pay of City bankers gambling debts. Well as a Tory. here is a message for your leader. YOUR TIME IS UP. ONLY 13% OF WOMAN SAY THEY WILL VOTE TORY. GOD WHO WOULD BLAME THEM. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS. WHO ARE THE 13% WHO WILL VOTE FOR YOUR PARTY? HEATLESS PARTY.

by Scarecrow Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:05 am

This is what we are up against, Lord Blencathra, a former MP and Tory chief whip, is being paid by the Cayman Islands government to represent the interests of its financial services industry – despite also being able to vote on legislation affecting the territory.
His photo says it all , he knows not the price of milk or bread , I bet .Cameron being the same can hardly sweep him under the tory carpet , I doubt that they even care as to what the public thinks , they are the party in power , no matter how well Ed Milliband does in PMQs and in you gov polls , they know that unless some cataclysmic , seismic event happens in UK politics they are sitting pretty , ready to unleash even more grief and sorrow upon the UK people. Chris Grayling is a past master at delivering the sermon to camera , but underneath he is thinking about his business and money portfolio gaining liquidity and growing, as everyday people are struggling just to survive .

How long do you think the coalition will last? - Page 14 Pg-6-tory-rex

How long do you think the coalition will last? - Page 14 Pg-6-tory-rex

( C ) Independent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-exconservative-minister-lord-blencathra-paid-to-lobby-for-island-tax-haven-7648252.html

by Scarecrow Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:38 am

Blue , do I detect cracks in your political armour , great to see a genuine fair minded honest point of view , instead of gung ho dogged blindness , The utopian dream of a fair conservative party is never going to happen , capitalism dictates this, they are bound by it's mantra.

How long do you think the coalition will last? - Page 14 BLUESHARK

How long do you think the coalition will last? - Page 14 BLUESHARK

( C ) Jersey .

by bobby Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:56 pm

Blue. I dont do "I told you so". I must be honest though I was finding it more and more difficult to understand the longevity of your support, but you explained that very eloquently in your post, but better later than never, as I said I am impressed by your honesty, as very few people of any Political party would make the declaration you have made publicly. My hope is now that you do not leave the Political Arena and to continue your input, irrespective who you may or may not support, who knows you may one day see things our way, and do the only thing possible to rid us of the ridiculous situation we are now in and getting worse daily.
You are of course correct, many Conservatives have left the Party, I honestly don’t know where they will end up, I very much doubt it will be with the Lib-Dems as lets face it, The Tories have as little respect for them as we do, there is of course UKIP who tend to be Euro sceptic Tories led by a clown. But who knows, with the passing of time and Ed Milliband growing in stature daily, he may even tempt you to the Labour Fold. I am now certain that if that where to happen you will be big enough to tell us, I mean the biggest step has already been taken.

Very well done Blue.

by oftenwrong Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:14 pm

A likely outcome of the next General Election is that the Lib-Dems will be able to hold meetings of their Parliamentary Party in a telephone booth, and that the defeated Tories will lurch sharply towards honest fascism.

Between now and then, Mr. Miliband needs to come up with a good excuse for thirteen years of abandoned Socialist principles.

by **Phil Hornby** Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:44 am

Those Tricky Little Details Stump Mrs May ...Again

How long do you think the coalition will last? - Page 14 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTa3MoJOrh4M7xnlptocbg3BHsG24cDIT54mlILt5J4emyjvg69

How long do you think the coalition will last? - Page 14 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTa3MoJOrh4M7xnlptocbg3BHsG24cDIT54mlILt5J4emyjvg69

(telegraph.co.uk)

" Hello, Officer - my name is Theresa June and I can't remember where I've parked my car..."

by Redflag Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:53 am

Phil Hornby wrote:Those Tricky Little Details Stump Mrs May ...Again

(telegraph.co.uk)

" Hello, Officer - my name is Theresa June and I can't remember where I've parked my car..."

PH you have done it again well said.

by Redflag Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:01 am

blueturando wrote:
What would you like to see from the Tory party? In what area's do you feel that they have lost their way Blue? I'm genuinely interested in what makes a tory voter tick, as everything that party stands for is totally alien to me and social conscience

Ahhhh there are many things Adele, but here goes...

I would have expected the Tories to get more business friendly (and I dont mean big business) by removing so much of the red tape strangling SME's at the moment. They should also make it easier and more cost effective for SMEs to employ staff. As an employer myself I know the largest financial obstacle to taking on more staff is National Insurance, Higher staff insurances, health and safety, and ridiculous over the top policy and procedure manuals......So far this government who I expected to bring in policies to revive British industry has failed on all fronts.

Over the last few months the Tories have announced various new policies they would like to bring in without thinking through them first...EG: Tax on donations, home improvement tax, Landsley saying all ciggie packets should be blank etc....each one ill though out and ill conceived, but I could have told them that within 5 seconds and I am no politician.

I would have expected the Tories to have gotten a grip on immigration levels as they said they would...Failed. Created more jobs....Failed. Tackled the EU waste and IMF handouts...Failed. Invested in Building and infrastructure.....so far Failed......and put a stop the Nanny state Labour created......Massive Fail!!!!

We are all in this together made a good sound bite, but increasingly it only applies to anyone who is not a multi millionaire or a major business, both of which do very well at avoiding paying their fair share of tax, thanks to this and the last government turning a blind eye.

Cameron and his front bench has lost touch with the real world, but so have Miliband and Labour.....both lost touch years ago. Too many Millionaire career politicians on all sides....Time for some new politics in the UK me thinks?

What I would like to see is working people and law abiding citizens coming first. In my opinion too much focus is placed on the lazy, feckless and 'the world owes me' culture in our society and the working man and women is always left to pay the bill. I also think we need a UK bill of right to stop criminals abusing the ECHR at the expense of Joe public.

There's more, but I have to go and fill in another H&S report for the powers that be.....Oh the joy!!!!

Blue may I congratulate you for your honesty a good post truthful which we could do with lot more of, do you have any more areas like what do you think of the NHS Bill?

by witchfinder Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:46 pm

And the next battle on the horizon is: House of Lords reform

It is now known that at least 4 Parliamentary private secretaries and possibly 7 will resign their posts to resist changes, the revelation comes after an angry meeting of Tory MPs in which open rebelion was clearly in the air.

Whilst David Cameron has given his backing to reforms, the issue now puts many Conservatives on a colision course with Lib Dems.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/apr/19/house-of-lords-reform-tories

by Redflag Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:29 pm

witchfinder wrote:And the next battle on the horizon is: House of Lords reform

It is now known that at least 4 Parliamentary private secretaries and possibly 7 will resign their posts to resist changes, the revelation comes after an angry meeting of Tory MPs in which open rebelion was clearly in the air.

Whilst David Cameron has given his backing to reforms, the issue now puts many Conservatives on a colision course with Lib Dems.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/apr/19/house-of-lords-reform-tories

Lets get back to the title of this thread, because I think I have the answer "3rd May 2012".

by Blamhappy Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:09 pm

Oooooh! I like it!

But why?

by sickchip Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:35 am

We can blame the Lib-Dems who have the power to stop the tories in their tracks; but. alas, the lib-dems have shown themselves to be spineless cowards without any integrity, their ideals corrupted and in thrall to power, and they appear to be entirely without shame or sense as they seem intent on seeing their own party commit political suicide.......the lib-dems are hammering nails into their own coffin lid.

by Mel Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:32 am

Camer-con's father ran a network of offshore investment funds to help build the family fortune that paid for the prime minister's inheritance.

Though entirely legal, the funds were set up in tax havens such as Panama City and Geneva, and explicitly boasted of their ability to remain outside UK tax jurisdiction. (Extract fom The Guardian)

This says it all surely about the credibility of this Rake?

by Mel Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:40 am

Gideon Osborne announcing Britain is to commit another £10bn to the IMF.

How very appropriate during such emphasis on austerity at home.

by Mel Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:53 am

David Cameron is preparing to defy Nick Clegg and endorse calls for a referendum on the future of the House of Lords – pitching the Coalition into a major constitutional crisis.

Sources close to the Prime Minister indicated yesterday that he has not ruled out a nationwide vote to stave off a major Tory rebellion. (Mail)

Anything to save his own skin. Pity he didn't consider the tuition fee saga and the health reforms fo a nationwide vote. Bloody Tory toff.

by trevorw2539 Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:39 am

Mel quote. Bloody Tory toff.

Steady on. Swear words like 'Tory toff' are not allowed;)

by astra Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:59 pm

Just heard that (Jack) Lord Ashley MP has died RIP Sir Sad

by trevorw2539 Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:30 pm

How long do you think the coalition will last? - Page 14 Empty

by astra Today at 1:59 pm

Just heard that (Jack) Lord Ashley MP has died RIP Sir Sad

A great man, loved and respected, to whom a lot is owed by many, particularly the disabled. Another loss to the world.
Respects to his family.

by Redflag Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:59 pm

Blamhappy wrote:Oooooh! I like it!

But why?

Thats the only way people will get there own back on the yellow Tories ANNIHILATION of the L/Ds.

by witchfinder Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:20 pm

For those of us who are of similar minds, people with left of centre, libertarian views, this place is something of a comfort zone, somewhere reasuring, which can be dangerous.

It is true that the coalition is looking weak and could colapse at the drop of a hat, but I do feel that we should not give ourselves a false sense of security believing that a Labour victory is inevitable - nothing is a foregone conclusion.

IF - the coalition does fall apart, what would the largest party ( the Conservatives ) do ?

Go to the polls with a much more right wing agenda, in particular bashing Europe and immigration - rabble rousing stuff that could just work, and with no Lib Dems to worry about they would go for the throat of the European Convention of Human Rights, even more rabble rousing stuff.

As things are at the present time, everything is looking good for the Labour Party, but complacency is as bigger enemy as what the coalition is.

by Redflag Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:57 am

witchfinder wrote:For those of us who are of similar minds, people with left of centre, libertarian views, this place is something of a comfort zone, somewhere reasuring, which can be dangerous.

It is true that the coalition is looking weak and could colapse at the drop of a hat, but I do feel that we should not give ourselves a false sense of security believing that a Labour victory is inevitable - nothing is a foregone conclusion.

IF - the coalition does fall apart, what would the largest party ( the Conservatives ) do ?

Go to the polls with a much more right wing agenda, in particular bashing Europe and immigration - rabble rousing stuff that could just work, and with no Lib Dems to worry about they would go for the throat of the European Convention of Human Rights, even more rabble rousing stuff.

As things are at the present time, everything is looking good for the Labour Party, but complacency is as bigger enemy as what the coalition is.

I tend to agree with your post WF, but after all we know could the Tories get back in it would be up the Labour party to remind people of all the cuts with still the other 85% of them yet to come, and then point out all the lies they have told like the one they where great at churning out the mess labour left that has now been admitted by Gideon and it has been proved also and with the farce of a budget cutting the tax of the richest people in the UK all this may even get Ken voted in as Mayor.

by Red Cat Woman Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:41 am

Scarecrow wrote:This is what we are up against, Lord Blencathra, a former MP and Tory chief whip, is being paid by the Cayman Islands government to represent the interests of its financial services industry – despite also being able to vote on legislation affecting the territory.
His photo says it all , he knows not the price of milk or bread , I bet .Cameron being the same can hardly sweep him under the tory carpet , I doubt that they even care as to what the public thinks , they are the party in power , no matter how well Ed Milliband does in PMQs and in you gov polls , they know that unless some cataclysmic , seismic event happens in UK politics they are sitting pretty , ready to unleash even more grief and sorrow upon the UK people. Chris Grayling is a past master at delivering the sermon to camera , but underneath he is thinking about his business and money portfolio gaining liquidity and growing, as everyday people are struggling just to survive .

( C ) Independent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-exconservative-minister-lord-blencathra-paid-to-lobby-for-island-tax-haven-7648252.html

Hi Scarecrow x
This guy is an other one to add to my list of dead beats. what on earth are we doing have the UK run by people like this? all I can say. is if he loves the Cayman Islands so much lets help him pack his bags and p off over there. he can tell them how to smash there financial services. I thought we had a bomb. well lets use it on them. I cannot think of a better use myself.

by Red Cat Woman Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:44 am

astra wrote:Just heard that (Jack) Lord Ashley MP has died RIP Sir

I would like to send my best wishes to his family at this very sad time. RIP my Lord. was just reading this and thought it was fitting.

One man who has a mind and knows it can always beat ten who haven't and don't.
George Bernard Show 1856-1950,

Quite fitting I thought

by Redflag Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:58 pm

Red Cat Woman wrote:
astra wrote:Just heard that (Jack) Lord Ashley MP has died RIP Sir

I would like to send my best wishes to his family at this very sad time. RIP my Lord

We have lost a great Labour MP and member and he will be sorely missed by many.

by Adele Carlyon Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:48 pm

RIP Lord Ashley.

And as for the other fella, well, I know where I'd like to stick his crook!

by Redflag Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:46 pm

sickchip wrote:We can blame the Lib-Dems who have the power to stop the tories in their tracks; but. alas, the lib-dems have shown themselves to be spineless cowards without any integrity, their ideals corrupted and in thrall to power, and they appear to be entirely without shame or sense as they seem intent on seeing their own party commit political suicide.......the lib-dems are hammering nails into their own coffin lid.

SC have they not realized what is happening to their party, they are not just Spineless but blind also they lost their deposit in some of the past By-Elections. Where are their brains, they seem to get all the flack and the Tories seem to be getting away with it so far.

by Frances Fox Tue May 08, 2012 3:56 pm

The Green Party MEPs went along with New Labour Liberal Democrats & Conservatives MEPs signing Britain up to OPEN BORDERS. They want to charge us extra tax so I do not see how they will be good to run this country. All of them are so subservient to the EU nether mind the consequences to the people of this country who see billions going to other countries getting this country into further debt at our expense.

Today I am seething because a youngster I know cannot get a job without a CSCS Health Card willing to take a test but has to have a Passport and a Waiver form signed by someone representing him. Doctors Receptionist said that Doctors can sign but they do not wish to at his surgery. Birth Certificate does not count. I am all for health and safety at work but the parlarva is sickening plus the cost.

The EU now want us to give pensions to people who have never paid a penny into this country. Our Health Service is a National One but the EU want it to be a World One without any help from them. Did yhou know an EU Beer Tax for the EU countries is paid mostly by Britain of 40% the rest by other EU countries yet Germany sells more beer in Europe than England.

I despise the previous and present governments who make our lives miserable who despite promises will not give us an IN?OUT rerferendum on the EU. Allowing contracts of our business to go abroad - I think they call it "eu procrument" yet you never head of Britain getting contracts by this system.

By the way I would remind people that UKIP came second in the EU Elections last time beating the governing New Labour beating Liberal Democrats and the Green Party though they got more media publicity than UKIP.

by bobby Tue May 08, 2012 4:10 pm

God forbid we never see these Euro sceptic UKIP Tories in Government. As thats is all I see them as. Tories that hate Europe more than they hate the working classes, and the difference aint that great.

by Frances Fox Tue May 08, 2012 4:28 pm

Conservatives, Labour , Liberal Democrats and Green Party have come over to UKIP.

If you like to see our country being cheated by the EU and the "Enemy Within" that is up to you but I certainly don't like it.

Perhaps you would care to tell me what is wrong with UKIP compared to the party that you care for and so far have not mentioned it's name?

by Adele Carlyon Tue May 08, 2012 4:53 pm

Who's the "enemy within"?

by Frances Fox Tue May 08, 2012 5:03 pm

Those who know the EU is no good for Britain and are subservient to them.

Noticed you did not answered my question why not frightened?

by oftenwrong Tue May 08, 2012 5:31 pm

What did you make of the remark from Baroness Warsi, linking UKIP's 13% of the recent local election polls with the demotion of the BNP?

by Redflag Tue May 08, 2012 5:55 pm

Adele Carlyon wrote:I must track down that paper, then I can wipe me botty on it!

OMG Adele don't do that you don't know what you'll catch off that paper, all sort of nasty things it would be alright to clean up doggie poo.

by Adele Carlyon Tue May 08, 2012 6:05 pm

Frances Fox wrote:Those who know the EU is no good for Britain and are subservient to them.

Noticed you did not answered my question why not frightened?

Erm...is it in the forum rules that I have to answer your question or summat? Actually, I wish I hadn't asked you anything in fact, but thanks for clarifying all the same.

by Adele Carlyon Tue May 08, 2012 6:06 pm

Redflag wrote:
Adele Carlyon wrote:I must track down that paper, then I can wipe me botty on it!

OMG Adele don't do that you don't know what you'll catch off that paper, all sort of nasty things it would be alright to clean up doggie poo.

Or lining the cat litter tray! Razz

by jackthelad Tue May 08, 2012 7:06 pm

Adele Carlyon wrote:Who's the "enemy within"?

UKIP and the BNP, nobody wants nationalism, nationalism is what brought Germany and Italy to their knees. We need Europe, but in moderation, don't want to be strangled by them though. All we want to do is trade with them, but without all their rules and regulations. Brown did the right thing keeping us out of the Euro, i didn't care much for the Franc, Mark, and Lira either. If Hitler and Mussolini had had their way we would probably have been spending one or the other, or maybe both.

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