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Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:21 pm

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In my opinion, the UK under our extreme right-wing government is rapidly degenerating into velvet glove fascism.

Like all fascists, Hitler was against trade unions and socialists. Similarly, Michael Gove vilified primary school teachers and dinner ladies, many of whom went on strike for the first time in their lives on 30 November last year, as “militants itching for a fight”. Gove has plans for military cadets in every school (Cameron Youth?) and a return to children sitting in rows reciting lists of kings and queens in history lessons, rather than learning to think. Hitler also realised how important history was to indoctrination when he ordered the mass burning of books. Tories close libraries.

Hitler made sure that he controlled the media. The Tories have cowed the BBC by threats of fragmentation and sharing the licence fee with others, such as Murdoch. The BBC, which was required to be impartial, has become just another mouthpiece for Tory propaganda. As soon as they came to power in 2010, the Tories instructed every minister to repeat over and over again the whopping lie that Labour, not Tory bankers, caused the global credit crisis. We have the repeated lie about everyone in the public sector getting “gold-plated pensions”, when the average is only £5,600 per annum. As Goebbels said: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Cameron has proved over and over again that he’s a pathological liar.

Hitler divided and ruled the German people by scapegoating Jews and gypsies. The Tories are demonising those who receive benefits, one result of which is that disability hate crimes are increasing. Duncan Smith went on breakfast television on 27 May 2010 and made the chilling remark: "Work makes you free". That's an exact translation of the sign which used to hang over the entrances to concentration camps.

The Tories have plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for companies such as Sainsbury's and Tesco's unpaid. Cancer patients are being made to undergo work assessments while being treated with chemotherapy, and wounded soldiers are being sacked. (Osborne is willing to take money from the disabled and cancer patients, but not prepared to veto Hester's bonus from the largely state-owned RBS.)

The police are being trained to shoot people with rubber bullets and will be issued with water cannon, yet the Tories were so keen on helping Arab rebels in North Africa. Two unknown Scottish teenagers made a joke on 'Facebook' about organising riots, and they both received four years in jail. A prominent Tory TV presenter (and personal friend of Cameron) made a tasteless joke about murdering trade unionists on prime time television; nothing was done about it and the BBC continue to pay him £1 million a year of our money.

We don't have any concentration camps in the UK, but the principles are the same - propaganda, indoctrination, and divide and rule by demonising a section of the population. While Hitler gassed Jews, the Tories clearly don't care if benefit claimants starve to death. Even payments from the Social Fund, for those in the most desperate need, will no longer be available from job centres but will be at the 'discretion' of local councils, who will not have to ring-fence the money. All the ingredients of fascism are there, but it's just being handed out to us in a more genteel form than Hitler used - in velvet gloves.



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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:18 pm

Tory contempt for the Parliamentary Process is abundantly evident from the irrevocable changes which have ALREADY been made to the NHS administrative hierarchy, in anticipation of a Bill which hasn't received the Royal Assent.


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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:22 pm

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:10 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:Cameron's Bedside Manner
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" ...and if we find that you have made any further comment to the Press about how badly the NHS has treated you, you'll get arms broken , too..."

And when the people of the UK find out what you have done to there NHS you and landsley will have your NECKS BROKEN.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:35 pm

When even ‘The Daily Mail’ can see the similarities with Nazi Germany, it ought to be time for some of our Tory friends to realise that this country is drifting into fascism under the jackboot of Cameron and his multimillionaire bullies. These are extracts from an article by Sonia Poulton:-

"There we were thinking it impossible that Cameron's Tory Party could become even more dastardly, even more duplicitous, in their devastating aims against those in vulnerable groups - sick, disabled, single parent families and the elderly - but they have. There was I, foolishly, thinking that when you are part of the capitalist work force then the appropriate term for remuneration received is salary. Apparently not. These days, under Cameron, we receive 'benefits' to become part of the job market. How can it possibly be right for a multinational such as Tesco to benefit from free labour?

Disabled people now face the prospect of unlimited unpaid work or they will be subject to cuts in their benefits. Forcing terminally ill people who have more than six months left to live to earn a living is an outrage on a previously unseen scale. This is the ritual humiliation, brutalisation, threats and punishment of anyone who is considered 'a burden to the state'. Anyone who is less than perfect, anyone who dares to find themselves in a position where they need the state to support them.

Cultural observers could not fail to notice the similarities between what is taking place here towards sick, disabled, elderly or any group perceived to be vulnerable and weak and what occurred in Hitler's Germany. This may not be ethnic cleansing that we are witnessing - and some are already experiencing - but it's a type of cleansing all the same. There are hundreds of thousands of people around our country right now who are absolutely petrified for their future.

This coalition has long since crossed the line of decency. Its attacks on those who need our help the most are vile, and transparently so, and must be stopped."


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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by astra on Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:44 pm


Cultural observers could not fail to notice the similarities between what is taking place here towards sick, disabled, elderly or any group perceived to be vulnerable and weak and what occurred in Hitler's Germany.


Only that in Hitler's Germany, Pocket Battleships, Tanks, Motorcycles and cars were being built en mass. Also, autobahns aircraft and uniforms.


It would not be so bad (sic) if the ill were being put to manufacturing use.


If Tesco (or any Supermarket) takes this offer of free labour, they should be boycotted by the general public!


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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by oftenwrong on Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:21 pm

Hitler labelled his platform "The National Socialist Party", which in the light of events was either a cruel joke or dyslexia.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:39 pm

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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:53 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:Cameron Sets his Sights...

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Neither him nor his cohorts have got the BACKBONE to invade there corner shop and thats not the way they work they are SNEAKY BACKSTUDS , so that nobody sees them coming the NHS Bill and the H.B. cap and the Benefits cap look at they have done turned the low paid against the people that Gideon and Scam..er..on have flung on the DOLE queue as a price worth paying and that goes back to the Thatcher Gov't.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:37 pm

Only that in Hitler's Germany, Pocket Battleships, Tanks, Motorcycles and cars were being built en mass. Also, autobahns aircraft and uniforms.
Don't worry, astra, we'll be involved in a war soon, either against Iran or Argentina. Anything to distract attention from this fascist government and its destruction of the NHS and use of the sick and disabled as slave labour for multinational companies.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Ivan on Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:45 pm

Another article by Dr Eoin Clarke, reproduced in full with his permission:-

On Tuesday 14 February, Conservative Central Office announced that the PM was to make a high profile visit to an NHS Hospital, to (a) bolster support for his NHS reform, and (b) raise the issue of binge drinking. But there was an incident at the hospital, and I can now reveal the details of what is alleged to have happened.

The staff were never informed of the Prime Minister's visit, and were affronted when Cameron arrived at the Newcastle Royal Victoria Infirmary. I am told that the entire staff refused to speak to the Prime Minister, and this caused quite a stir. It transpires that the shift manager (or matron - I cannot confirm which) was left to 'handle the PM'. Cameron was also assigned close police protection for his entire time in the hospital. The PM was shepherded into the back corridors to give his interview in isolation, apparently because the grimaces and frowns of staff members would have caused an embarrassment. One staff member joked that the “only persons who were smiling was his police protection”.

This was Cameron's interview:-
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One staff member launched a verbal volley of criticisms at the Prime Minister for breaking his promise on the NHS reforms. The content of the abuse centred around Cameron foisting unwanted reforms upon NHS staff who were unanimously opposed to them. The angry staff member was led away, and is now facing disciplinary action.

The rest of the staff were explicitly instructed that, pending the outcome of the disciplinary hearing, they were to keep quiet about the incident. It was under these auspices that staff have been sworn to silence. None of them are willing to go on record and say what happened, even though four separate sources have confirmed similar versions of the same event. Three of the sources stated that they feared for their jobs if they went public.

David Cameron, you can end all of this speculation by instructing your spokesperson to issue a polite rebuttal. It might well be that these stories are fabricated (they sometimes are), but in the face of these allegations, I am very concerned that so little has appeared in our press. I am most concerned with the fact that the local press has not reported this incident. How many journalists did you allow to accompany you on the visit?

If the story is true, it shows that Cameron does not have the support among the health service for his reforms. These reforms are ideologically motivated and unwanted, and if the risk registers turn out to be correct, they will irreversibly destroy our NHS.


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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Redflag on Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:40 am

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Only that in Hitler's Germany, Pocket Battleships, Tanks, Motorcycles and cars were being built en mass. Also, autobahns aircraft and uniforms.
Don't worry, astra, we'll be involved in a war soon, either against Iran or Argentina. Anything to distract attention from this fascist government and its destruction of the NHS and use of the sick and disabled as slave labour for multinational companies.

In regards to us going to war with either Iran or Argentina have we got enough Troops to attempt this madness and I hope the Forces that have already been sacked if this Gov't calls them up they give them the VICKY sign and then maybe Scam..er..on will have to send some of his MPs to do there own DIRTY WORK.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by bobby on Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:55 am

Good Morning Red.

Herr Cameron will wait a while whilst his new schoolboy storm troopers are got ready, you know Goves Cadets or the Herr Cameron youth.

A Free army, and if the Iranians or Argentineans kill a few, they will be castigated by the rest of the civilised world, and of course we would lose such a war, and Herr Cameron will simply blame it on the children.

Also I would like to thank you personally, due to the example you set, I have for the first time in my life joined the Labour Party, I appreciate that as an old soldier I only had to pay one pound, but I did make a donation to more than compensate. Also I checked out Labours website in depth and have sent an e-mail expressing my wishes and fears and have been promised a personal response. Again Red Many Thanks. Its about time I put some money where my mouth is.
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Post by Redflag on Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:41 am

bobby wrote:Good Morning Red.

Herr Cameron will wait a while whilst his new schoolboy storm troopers are got ready, you know Goves Cadets or the Herr Cameron youth.

A Free army, and if the Iranians or Argentineans kill a few, they will be castigated by the rest of the civilised world, and of course we would lose such a war, and Herr Cameron will simply blame it on the children.

Also I would like to thank you personally, due to the example you set, I have for the first time in my life joined the Labour Party, I appreciate that as an old soldier I only had to pay one pound, but I did make a donation to more than compensate. Also I checked out Labours website in depth and have sent an e-mail expressing my wishes and fears and have been promised a personal response. Again Red Many Thanks. Its about time I put some money where my mouth is.

And a very good morning too you bobby,

I would not put it passed Scam..er..on to blame the kids for loosing the war but I do hope that if the M.O.D do recall up the Forces that they have sacked the get SHARP SHRIFT from our brave men and women.

Now comes the emotional bit you have bestowed on me the biggest Compliment any one could give me and for that Im humbled and Welcome to the Labour Family but do get involved good people like your self are needed I do quite often put my twopence worth in even to email Ed Miliband and tell him where I think he is going wrong and sometimes its just frustration at what this Tory Gov't is getting away with, find out where your local Community Labour Party (CLP) is and get involved you would be a credit to it and all the Labour party ask is too do what you can donations do help I myself have and continue to do so when ever circumstances allow I was involved in the Interviews for the up coming Council elections ( i was making sure that Councillors where fit for the job.

Once again bobby welcome and go get those NASTY Tories.
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Re: Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

Post by Stox 16 on Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:21 pm

Redflag wrote:
bobby wrote:Good Morning Red.

Herr Cameron will wait a while whilst his new schoolboy storm troopers are got ready, you know Goves Cadets or the Herr Cameron youth.

A Free army, and if the Iranians or Argentineans kill a few, they will be castigated by the rest of the civilised world, and of course we would lose such a war, and Herr Cameron will simply blame it on the children.

Also I would like to thank you personally, due to the example you set, I have for the first time in my life joined the Labour Party, I appreciate that as an old soldier I only had to pay one pound, but I did make a donation to more than compensate. Also I checked out Labours website in depth and have sent an e-mail expressing my wishes and fears and have been promised a personal response. Again Red Many Thanks. Its about time I put some money where my mouth is.

And a very good morning too you bobby,


I would not put it passed Scam..er..on to blame the kids for loosing the war but I do hope that if the M.O.D do recall up the Forces that they have sacked the get SHARP SHRIFT from our brave men and women.

Now comes the emotional bit you have bestowed on me the biggest Compliment any one could give me and for that Im humbled and Welcome to the Labour Family but do get involved good people like your self are needed I do quite often put my twopence worth in even to email Ed Miliband and tell him where I think he is going wrong and sometimes its just frustration at what this Tory Gov't is getting away with, find out where your local Community Labour Party (CLP) is and get involved you would be a credit to it and all the Labour party ask is too do what you can donations do help I myself have and continue to do so when ever circumstances allow I was involved in the Interviews for the up coming Council elections ( i was making sure that Councillors where fit for the job.

Once again bobby welcome and go get those NASTY Tories.

A very nice posts, as the Labour party is very much like a family of like minds. with people joining it from many backgounds too. maybe its this that I found so interesting. but a very nice and true reply Red.
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Post by astra on Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:23 pm

I found this on my wanderings around the compooter-

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Critics claim the Get Britain Working project exploits people on benefits.

Sainsbury's and Waterstones have already opted out of the scheme""


and guess what, the piece further on says Grayling is standing by the initiative!
I dont have the kindness in me to tell him Rome Is Burning!
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Post by bobby on Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:22 pm

Red, I have been a Labour Supporter for many years, but for the once in 1979, even though I had seen with my own eyes the Council and Media manipulating the news. In The Borough, which is actually a borough in London, I saw people orchestrating the media in that, men where collecting rubbish bags and piling them up in a place called Flat Iron Square, then the reporters ran around taking their propaganda photo’s, and making the so called winter of discontent much worse than it actually was. at that time I had been in Business for a short while, and listened to that lying Bitch Thatcher, when she told us how she would help small businesses, then set about destroying as many as she could. Yes I’m sorry to say I voted Tory for the only time in my life, I mean who would have thought a woman could out lie a geezer. I have learnt my lesson. At the moment I am still in business which is why I can post at anytime during the day, unfortunately I am abroad for a few months each year on business so do not have to time to spare to involve myself in a more practical way, but have decided to encourage my Grand Children and will pay them to do things such as envelope filling and the such, after all every thing helps.

Saying that My home in the UK is in Surrey so will as far as I can see will almost certainly stay Tory, but if we can whittle a few votes down each time who knows what the future holds.
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Post by Redflag on Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:20 pm

bobby wrote:Red, I have been a Labour Supporter for many years, but for the once in 1979, even though I had seen with my own eyes the Council and Media manipulating the news. In The Borough, which is actually a borough in London, I saw people orchestrating the media in that, men where collecting rubbish bags and piling them up in a place called Flat Iron Square, then the reporters ran around taking their propaganda photo’s, and making the so called winter of discontent much worse than it actually was. at that time I had been in Business for a short while, and listened to that lying Bitch Thatcher, when she told us how she would help small businesses, then set about destroying as many as she could. Yes I’m sorry to say I voted Tory for the only time in my life, I mean who would have thought a woman could out lie a geezer. I have learnt my lesson. At the moment I am still in business which is why I can post at anytime during the day, unfortunately I am abroad for a few months each year on business so do not have to time to spare to involve myself in a more practical way, but have decided to encourage my Grand Children and will pay them to do things such as envelope filling and the such, after all every thing helps.

Saying that My home in the UK is in Surrey so will as far as I can see will almost certainly stay Tory, but if we can whittle a few votes down each time who knows what the future holds.

If that is the case bobby I know Surrey is a Tory safe seat but never give up with your help and the Tory Mistakes of late you will find it easier than you think, every little goes towards bringing this Gov't down I would not expect you to neglect your business nor would the Labour party why not get involved as a good business man Ed Miliband is looking for people like yourself and Im certain that you would be a credit too businesses right across the UK so think about it and work out what you can do never be a defeatest something I know your not.

And don't worry about your slip up bobby we all make mistakes but its better when you know when you have made mistakes and learn from them and do not repeat them, do you see the simularity between Thatcher and Scam..er..on Im certain that he has been looking through her papers from when she was in power would like too know thought on this bobby.
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Post by Redflag on Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:00 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:Cameron's Big Brother Society
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" It's up to you - either you agree to join Mr Gove's Inform-on-your-neighbour Youth Movement, or you stay in this compound and we set the dogs loose..."

I would love to chase him and his cohorts down WhiteHall with a pack of Rottweilers that would give them a bad case of DIARRHOEA.
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Post by LWS on Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:23 pm

Redflag wrote:
bobby wrote:Good Morning Red.

Herr Cameron will wait a while whilst his new schoolboy storm troopers are got ready, you know Goves Cadets or the Herr Cameron youth.

A Free army, and if the Iranians or Argentineans kill a few, they will be castigated by the rest of the civilised world, and of course we would lose such a war, and Herr Cameron will simply blame it on the children.

Also I would like to thank you personally, due to the example you set, I have for the first time in my life joined the Labour Party, I appreciate that as an old soldier I only had to pay one pound, but I did make a donation to more than compensate. Also I checked out Labours website in depth and have sent an e-mail expressing my wishes and fears and have been promised a personal response. Again Red Many Thanks. Its about time I put some money where my mouth is.

And a very good morning too you bobby,

I would not put it passed Scam..er..on to blame the kids for loosing the war but I do hope that if the M.O.D do recall up the Forces that they have sacked the get SHARP SHRIFT from our brave men and women.

Now comes the emotional bit you have bestowed on me the biggest Compliment any one could give me and for that Im humbled and Welcome to the Labour Family but do get involved good people like your self are needed I do quite often put my twopence worth in even to email Ed Miliband and tell him where I think he is going wrong and sometimes its just frustration at what this Tory Gov't is getting away with, find out where your local Community Labour Party (CLP) is and get involved you would be a credit to it and all the Labour party ask is too do what you can donations do help I myself have and continue to do so when ever circumstances allow I was involved in the Interviews for the up coming Council elections ( i was making sure that Councillors where fit for the job.

Once again bobby welcome and go get those NASTY Tories.

It is quite heartwarming to read that there are still some quite nice people about and I would like to include both of you, Bobby and Red in that number!

The Tory Party however is still the same old nasty and quite horrid party it always has been. I also am a recent convert to Labour, having been for many years a Liberal supporter. However that all changed in 2010 when the Lib Dems stopped being a liberal party and became tories, sacrificing all their decent principles to taste power in a junior role in a right wing Tory government. Here in Cornwall there is a long tradition of voting Liberal until they sold out that is. Many former Lib Dems have either gone to Mebyon Kernow (whom I do have some support for) or Labour.

Yes Bobby I am glad to read your post and all the very best!
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Post by Redflag on Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:48 am

astra wrote:I found this on my wanderings around the compooter-

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""The fashion chain, Matalan, has suspended its involvement in a government-backed work experience scheme that has caused controversy.

Critics claim the Get Britain Working project exploits people on benefits.

Sainsbury's and Waterstones have already opted out of the scheme""


and guess what, the piece further on says Grayling is standing by the initiative!
I dont have the kindness in me to tell him Rome Is Burning!

I have thought about this scheme of Chris Grayling and I think I have came up with the reasoning behind it, Could it be that while they are on the scheme there are not on the Unemployment list therefore reducing the number of Unemployed so that would look better for this SLY SNEAKY bunch of W***ERS by pretending that there is work out there when we all know there is very little unless you can afford just to do part-time but even then that is going up too 24 hours a week or you will not qualify for family Tax Credits.

What do you think astra am I just been nasty?
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:58 am

At least the major employers who were originally induced to support this unemployed employment have realised that it's not only the job-seekers who are being taken advantage of, and they are getting out of the wretched scheme faster than you would from a burning building.
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Post by bobby on Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:39 pm


Redflag wrote:

I have thought about this scheme of Chris Grayling and I think I have came up with the reasoning behind it, Could it be that while they are on the scheme there are not on the Unemployment list therefore reducing the number of Unemployed so that would look better for this SLY SNEAKY bunch of W***ERS by pretending that there is work out there when we all know there is very little unless you can afford just to do part-time but even then that is going up too 24 hours a week or you will not qualify for family Tax Credits.
Good Day Red.

You are of course absolutely correct. Thatcher openly encouraged those mine workers, steel workers, shipbuilders etc to go on the sick, those that did, plus the kids who where stitched up on the YTS scheme kept the figures down to 3.8 million souls, ( Iremember them saying that, had she not done that, the true figures would have been in excess of 5 Million). Had she have put as much effort into the economy, perhaps we may not have been so deep in recession. And guess what Herr Cameron and his rhumba of rattlesnakes are doing now. Only now they are taking the real disabled and casting them in the wilderness, saying they should get jobs (what jobs), whilst offsetting there numbers by getting kids working for nuffin. Someone works hard hatching these schemes, isn’t it a shame that the same energy isn’t put into growth for our economy.

What Herr Cameron has created is a production line. He has an unemployment problem, he recons all disabled are on the fiddle, his answer is. 1/ Make the disabled jobseekers. 2/ Then he can/will claim we have fewer disabled because of his wonderful Top Down Restructuring of the NHS, 3/ After a short period get the unemployed working for nix, and hey presto problem’s solved, no more disabled, no more unemployed and a population believing in our wonderful new Private Health Co. LTD. Corporation. Who wouldn’t vote for a Government who solved these problems.

Only we aint as stupid as wot e finks we am, and many can and do see right through him, his only successful bit of transparency he keeps harping on about.

Red as an addendum to a previous post, I held off from actually Joining the Labour Party, as I wasn’t 100% sure of Ed Milliband, Fortunately he has since grown into the Job and I personally am pleased with his achievements to date, only I would like to see more open attacks on this Coalition.


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OW. If they were to fill their stores with some of the unemployed kids you see around, their shelves would empty much quicker than they ever could on their best days shopping.
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Post by trevorw2539 on Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:25 pm

bobby wrote:OW. If they were to fill their stores with some of the unemployed kids you see around, their shelves would empty much quicker than they ever could on their best days shopping.

Could always make some of the above security staff, of course Smile er - perhaps not. Shocked
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Of course trev, More security guards, less unemployed, then more prison warders, even less unemployed. Its a win - win scenario.Very Happy

Or perhaps he will use some more of the unemployed to act as free warders, He has allready started a Campaign for more specials in the police force. E don’t want to pay for nuffink do e.
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bobby wrote:

Redflag wrote:

I have thought about this scheme of Chris Grayling and I think I have came up with the reasoning behind it, Could it be that while they are on the scheme there are not on the Unemployment list therefore reducing the number of Unemployed so that would look better for this SLY SNEAKY bunch of W***ERS by pretending that there is work out there when we all know there is very little unless you can afford just to do part-time but even then that is going up too 24 hours a week or you will not qualify for family Tax Credits.
Good Day Red.

You are of course absolutely correct. Thatcher openly encouraged those mine workers, steel workers, shipbuilders etc to go on the sick, those that did, plus the kids who where stitched up on the YTS scheme kept the figures down to 3.8 million souls, ( Iremember them saying that, had she not done that, the true figures would have been in excess of 5 Million). Had she have put as much effort into the economy, perhaps we may not have been so deep in recession. And guess what Herr Cameron and his rhumba of rattlesnakes are doing now. Only now they are taking the real disabled and casting them in the wilderness, saying they should get jobs (what jobs), whilst offsetting there numbers by getting kids working for nuffin. Someone works hard hatching these schemes, isn’t it a shame that the same energy isn’t put into growth for our economy.

What Herr Cameron has created is a production line. He has an unemployment problem, he recons all disabled are on the fiddle, his answer is. 1/ Make the disabled jobseekers. 2/ Then he can/will claim we have fewer disabled because of his wonderful Top Down Restructuring of the NHS, 3/ After a short period get the unemployed working for nix, and hey presto problem’s solved, no more disabled, no more unemployed and a population believing in our wonderful new Private Health Co. LTD. Corporation. Who wouldn’t vote for a Government who solved these problems.

Only we aint as stupid as wot e finks we am, and many can and do see right through him, his only successful bit of transparency he keeps harping on about.

Red as an addendum to a previous post, I held off from actually Joining the Labour Party, as I wasn’t 100% sure of Ed Milliband, Fortunately he has since grown into the Job and I personally am pleased with his achievements to date, only I would like to see more open attacks on this Coalition.

Hi bobby thank you for your posts I like yourself was not convinced about Ed Miliband and I worried, I also did not vote for him or his brother in the Leadership contest but of late he has came into his own ( since you have joined the Labour party you will get voting papers through from time to time so vote but think about who you vote for find out about all the candidates) it has taken him longer to grow into the job but Im sure now that he will do the a GREAT JOB and lead us back too No 10 where there will be FAIRNESS for ALL and not just for the CHOSEN FEW.
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Post by astra on Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:10 pm

Hello Flag and Bobby.

No flag you are not being nasty, if you want to castrate them, I will pour hot cooking oil over the wound to cotterise the bleeding.

I suppose you want to do all that yourself, and just have me sit on them to pin them down!!
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Post by AwfulTruth on Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:34 pm

I have to pinch myself sometimes confused : I have never seen such a load of nonsense-spouting morons in my life. That politics could sink to such abysmal levels is a wonder to be seen! Cameron and his henchmen are all neo-fascists full of invective, innuendo, ad-hominem insults, bullying tactics and downright lying misinformation. The ignorance and fascistic poppycock is so thick with lurid embroidery that it hardly takes a genius to realize what all this crap is: the smokescreen of the morally and intellectually bankrupt.

The language the Tory rump are using is not only outrageously fascistic, it is also highly insulting, polarizing and ultimately anathema to anyone with a brain! Basketball

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Post by Ivan on Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:58 pm

Awful Truth. Agree 100%, I'm 63 and no government in my living memory - not even Thatcher's - has been as spine-chilling as this one. As soon as the Tories came in, they followed the Goebbels line ("tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth") with regard to the causes of the global credit crisis. They've shown contempt for democracy with their NHS Bill, have fixed the length of parliaments without a mandate, are gerrymandering the constituencies and the House of Lords, and they've introduced slave labour. They have set the working poor against the unemployed by demonising the sick and disabled. Cameron's hospital visit in Newcastle has revealed how censored the media is, Pickles has issued a decree overruling the High Court, we are heading for Gove Youth in schools, and areas are being 'cleansed' of social housing recipients. All we need now to complete the descent into fascism is a war, so will it be Iran or Argentina, I wonder?

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Post by Redflag on Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:45 pm

astra wrote:Hello Flag and Bobby.

No flag you are not being nasty, if you want to castrate them, I will pour hot cooking oil over the wound to cotterise the bleeding.

I suppose you want to do all that yourself, and just have me sit on them to pin them down!!

Anything you want astra but I want to cover the NASTIEST parts because believe me I will enjoy every moment of there pain in fact I might even pee myself with laughing, and I do not think you will need to cotterise there wounds just let them bleed that way it will be slow very slow.
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Post by Redflag on Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:51 pm

What Herr Cameron has created is a production line. He has an unemployment problem, he recons all disabled are on the fiddle, his answer is. 1/ Make the disabled jobseekers. 2/ Then he can/will claim we have fewer disabled because of his wonderful Top Down Restructuring of the NHS, 3/ After a short period get the unemployed working for nix, and hey presto problem’s solved, no more disabled, no more unemployed and a population believing in our wonderful new Private Health Co. LTD. Corporation. Who wouldn’t vote for a Government who solved these problems.

If he does put the sick and disabled back too work he could give his friends in the private health sector a bit of a headache because if people are not fit to work they will be taking ill in work and then a ambulance to the nearest hospital hence BED BLOCKING
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Post by AwfulTruth on Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:00 pm

Ivan wrote:Awful Truth. Agree 100%, I'm 63 and no government in my living memory - not even Thatcher's - has been as spine-chilling as this one. As soon as the Tories came in, they followed the Goebbels line ("tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth") with regard to the causes of the global credit crisis. They've shown contempt for democracy with their NHS Bill, have fixed the length of parliaments without a mandate, are gerrymandering the constituencies and the House of Lords, and they've introduced slave labour. They have set the working poor against the unemployed by demonising the sick and disabled. Cameron's hospital visit in Newcastle has revealed how censored the media is, Pickles has issued a decree overruling the High Court, we are heading for Gove Youth in schools, and areas are being 'cleansed' of social housing recipients. All we need now to complete the descent into fascism is a war, so will it be Iran or Argentina, I wonder?

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What makes your post so pertinent is that it is oh so ominously true: you could not make it up! Basketball I wait for the electorate to take due revenge in the polling stations. May it come as a dark scourge upon the face of fascism!

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Ivan wrote:Awful Truth. Agree 100%, I'm 63 and no government in my living memory - not even Thatcher's - has been as spine-chilling as this one. As soon as the Tories came in, they followed the Goebbels line ("tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth") with regard to the causes of the global credit crisis. They've shown contempt for democracy with their NHS Bill, have fixed the length of parliaments without a mandate, are gerrymandering the constituencies and the House of Lords, and they've introduced slave labour. They have set the working poor against the unemployed by demonising the sick and disabled. Cameron's hospital visit in Newcastle has revealed how censored the media is, Pickles has issued a decree overruling the High Court, we are heading for Gove Youth in schools, and areas are being 'cleansed' of social housing recipients. All we need now to complete the descent into fascism is a war, so will it be Iran or Argentina, I wonder?

Maybe this is where it's all leading:-
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What makes your post so pertinent is that it is oh so ominously true: you could not make it up! Basketball I wait for the electorate to take due revenge in the polling stations. May it come as a dark scourge upon the face of fascism!

I want to see the UK map that is up on Election night TURN RED from top to bottom but leave the Tory safe seats with not many Tory MPs and to have Tory voters turn against them, and I do not want to wait until 2015 because by then the UK will be changed against all recognition so between this year and next is all I want to wait so if I have fairy God person out there I hope he/she is listening.
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so if I have fairy God person out there I hope he/she is listening..
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Looking at what is happening I beginning to wonder if the Monster Raving Loony Party has been infiltrating No 10. :affraid:

Gerrymandering constituences is not new.
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Post by Stox 16 on Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:51 am

bobby wrote:Good Morning Red.

Herr Cameron will wait a while whilst his new schoolboy storm troopers are got ready, you know Goves Cadets or the Herr Cameron youth.

A Free army, and if the Iranians or Argentineans kill a few, they will be castigated by the rest of the civilised world, and of course we would lose such a war, and Herr Cameron will simply blame it on the children.

Also I would like to thank you personally, due to the example you set, I have for the first time in my life joined the Labour Party, I appreciate that as an old soldier I only had to pay one pound, but I did make a donation to more than compensate. Also I checked out Labours website in depth and have sent an e-mail expressing my wishes and fears and have been promised a personal response. Again Red Many Thanks. Its about time I put some money where my mouth is.

Welcome to the Labour Party Bobby. what great news... Its just great to have you with us. hope you enjoy it. I have made many great friends within the Labour party over my 35 years. its almost become like a 2nd family too me.
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bobby wrote:Good Morning Red.

Herr Cameron will wait a while whilst his new schoolboy storm troopers are got ready, you know Goves Cadets or the Herr Cameron youth.

A Free army, and if the Iranians or Argentineans kill a few, they will be castigated by the rest of the civilised world, and of course we would lose such a war, and Herr Cameron will simply blame it on the children.

Also I would like to thank you personally, due to the example you set, I have for the first time in my life joined the Labour Party, I appreciate that as an old soldier I only had to pay one pound, but I did make a donation to more than compensate. Also I checked out Labours website in depth and have sent an e-mail expressing my wishes and fears and have been promised a personal response. Again Red Many Thanks. Its about time I put some money where my mouth is.

Welcome to the Labour Party Bobby. what great news... Its just great to have you with us. hope you enjoy it. I have made many great friends within the Labour party over my 35 years. its almost become like a 2nd family too me.

Bobby will be a good asset for the Labour party it will let them know that they are on the right track, I have said that he could help Ed if you remember what he was saying last year at conference about good business and predatory business that way bobby would be able to help without neglecting his business.
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Post by Stox 16 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:37 am

LWS wrote:
Redflag wrote:
bobby wrote:Good Morning Red.

Herr Cameron will wait a while whilst his new schoolboy storm troopers are got ready, you know Goves Cadets or the Herr Cameron youth.

A Free army, and if the Iranians or Argentineans kill a few, they will be castigated by the rest of the civilised world, and of course we would lose such a war, and Herr Cameron will simply blame it on the children.

Also I would like to thank you personally, due to the example you set, I have for the first time in my life joined the Labour Party, I appreciate that as an old soldier I only had to pay one pound, but I did make a donation to more than compensate. Also I checked out Labours website in depth and have sent an e-mail expressing my wishes and fears and have been promised a personal response. Again Red Many Thanks. Its about time I put some money where my mouth is.

And a very good morning too you bobby,

I would not put it passed Scam..er..on to blame the kids for loosing the war but I do hope that if the M.O.D do recall up the Forces that they have sacked the get SHARP SHRIFT from our brave men and women.

Now comes the emotional bit you have bestowed on me the biggest Compliment any one could give me and for that Im humbled and Welcome to the Labour Family but do get involved good people like your self are needed I do quite often put my twopence worth in even to email Ed Miliband and tell him where I think he is going wrong and sometimes its just frustration at what this Tory Gov't is getting away with, find out where your local Community Labour Party (CLP) is and get involved you would be a credit to it and all the Labour party ask is too do what you can donations do help I myself have and continue to do so when ever circumstances allow I was involved in the Interviews for the up coming Council elections ( i was making sure that Councillors where fit for the job.

Once again bobby welcome and go get those NASTY Tories.

It is quite heartwarming to read that there are still some quite nice people about and I would like to include both of you, Bobby and Red in that number!

The Tory Party however is still the same old nasty and quite horrid party it always has been. I also am a recent convert to Labour, having been for many years a Liberal supporter. However that all changed in 2010 when the Lib Dems stopped being a liberal party and became tories, sacrificing all their decent principles to taste power in a junior role in a right wing Tory government. Here in Cornwall there is a long tradition of voting Liberal until they sold out that is. Many former Lib Dems have either gone to Mebyon Kernow (whom I do have some support for) or Labour.

Yes Bobby I am glad to read your post and all the very best!

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trevorw2539 wrote:so if I have fairy God person out there I hope he/she is listening..
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I have to admit that I am becoming concerned with this governments' dogmatic attitude. I realise the need for change but not at the expense of commonsense and consultation. If you ignore advice from the experts in a particular sphere, then there must be cause for concern.

Looking at what is happening I beginning to wonder if the Monster Raving Loony Party has been infiltrating No 10. :affraid:

Gerrymandering constituences is not new.
I would be happy with a new look House of Lords. I am not convinced of an elected House. It could become a rubber stamp for the Commons, without safeguards. Currently the present house is hampering, rightly, the Government and trying to get safeguards and alterations to protect the vulnerable. The PROBLEM with the current house is the promoting of politicians to the Lords. This can be open to abuse, as we have seen.

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A good post if I my say.. yes I cannot agree more about the Gerrymandering of Constituences. this is all part of the Tory plan to weaken the Labour party. its something that I am interested in...as its interesting how the media do not report this issue very much. however, there is a good team on this issue at the Labour HQ.
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Post by bobby on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:20 pm

The Tory Free Labour Plan, otherwise known as slavery.

Its plainly obvious the Tory’s think we are all fools, do they think we will swallow all the crap they spout. Now they are saying “50% of those unemployed kids end up coming off the dole queue”, Well that may be true, but the jobs they are taking are not new jobs, but jobs they would have been filled from the job centre, so every one of the slaves that takes a job, one from the job centre doesn’t. I doubt one extra job has been created by this scheme, all it is doing is massaging numbers, something the Tory’s have always been good at, and also look at where these jobs are coming from, Tesco.s McDonalds etc, Company's who under normal circumstances have an extreemly high staff turn over.

Unfortunately we have people in Britain that believe in fairies at the bottom of their garden, and that it was Father Christmas giving his Mum some in December. When will they see the truth, or is truth a concept they know nothing about.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:50 pm

Tories get their rocks off by re-reading Charles Dickens' references to the Workhouse.

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